Help! Angle has Ich

[herman]

Pecan. That was a useful post. Its good when people post their personal experiances in detail like that!!

 

[pecan2phat]

Thanks Herman.
I tried to post this on RC and it was like I was the devil!

All I was trying to convey is that I was willing to pay the $50 & try the product to see if the manufacturer's claims were true or not. When Kick-Ick, RxP & Chem-Marin came out, didn't someone try them? They basically don't tell you all of their secret receipe either. We know that RxP & Chem-Marin contains pepper based irritants & Kick-Ick contains a form of Flagyl which will effect SPS in one way or the other. I can't see the pepper irritants actually eradicating the parasite and the form of flagyl probably would but in concentrations that would not be friendly in a reef tank is my thoughts.
Yes, I don't know what's in NSF but if it works, at least there will be an option for some that will not or cannot quarantine prior to introduction or at the treatment level.

My honest feelings so far:
Product does do something. May not erradicate the parasite as claimed because of the amount of treatments that I have done so far thus but in my past experience when you have a heavy breakout and start to lose fish, the parasite does not go away on it's own unless the tank becomes fallow.
With the degree that my 90g FOWLR was at in terms of the ick infestation, the last 4 guys were doomed if I had done nothing. The turnaround has to be a result of some process of the NSF but I will still hesitate to say if it works completely in terms of erradication.
I have 3 more days left for this 4th treatment and I will stop the dosing to see the end results.

 

[inkblue]

:Blurp: heY Mark, here's a good discussion on iCh...

 

[aaron23]

The thing is Garlic is said to "entice" the fish to eat. Being all healthy and active usually the fish overcomes the ich and so be it ich is now dead. It worked for my tangs. Garlic extract on the nori and bam ich all gone within a couple of days. I ran out of garlic extract one week and they started scratching on the sides of the rocks. When I used it again they were ich free. I think it works truely in my opinion garlic is good.

As far as the ich free formula i made a huge post on RC speaking to the creators of it and I had a friend which supposidly bought their ich free cure and had left positive feedback that it had worked. I came to find out after asking my friend the feedback that was sent to the company was completely altered. For example what he said was that he would like to try the product on a couple of wrasses that showed signs of ich. They changed his email to the ich product worked on the couple of wrasses that showed signs of ich. They bs'd his email and put it up as positive feedback for all to see. Ridiculous what people do for money liess all over the place.

 

[Tonyscoots84]

aaron u are saying that when u feed with the garlic extract the ich is gone but when u dont feed with garlic extract they start scratching again which could be signs of ich or jus bad water..... so then in ur case whats the point of the garlic extract if it only works when u feed it to them.....?
ich never truely dies.........

 

[pmui]

hi all,

Garlic is not proven to prevent Ich. The only way I eradicated the ich was a full quarintine tank, with copper for all fish going into my display tank. So far, naso tang, Koran angel, tang, fox face show now signs of ich. HTH.

Peter

 

[aaron23]

Garlic is a food enticer. It hasnt proven to eliminate ich... The theory is that if you feed the fish well the fish will overcome the parasites. Its not proven to kill ich but i've had way too much success to say that it does infact eliminate ich if your fish is eating and is healthy. The ich will go away in about a day. Eradicate ich by QT'ing for an entire month lol Good luck with that, its a reallllllll pain...... testing copper levels from cupramine etcc not all copper test kits give you the actual test reading.

I dont know how garlic is working but it is, thats all i'm worried about
GL!!!! hope everythings well

 

[loismustdie]

Not to start another debate, but AAron, you're saying that QTing a fish is a real pain, but going through hoops to find meds, treat your entire tank which can sometimes be unsuccessful including garlic, shutting down skimmers, reactors, all the things we need for our corals to survive, for a disease YOU introduced is isn't a pain in the a$$? Gimme a break. A 10 gallon QT sounds a lot easier to me. BTW, if it keeps comming back, it obviously isn't erradicated.
Pecan, thanks for the post on NSF. Detailed info that people can use to treat if need be.
Me and Herman agreed with this on another thread. Our husbandry kills a lot of stuff. QUARANTINE! Since I do not go out and buy enough fish to stock my entire aquarium in one day, I am able to keep my QT small. They go in for observation for a week. Fish is eating, looks healthy, doesn't scratch, I'll continue to watch until I feel they are starting to "fatten up"(meaning I can't see rib cages like you can on most tangs and the body looks fuller). Then I will put them in my main display. If it's sick, it gets treatment. I'm not going to try to say that there is not ich in my tank, I'm assuming it is in everyones tank. But I have no outbreaks. I don't worry about catching a fish that's in my display. I don't worry about finding meds that won't effect corals and clams. I don't have to shut down my skimmers. I really feel that if more people are influenced to QT and do so properly, we will stop seeing these threads on, OMG... HELP...ICH!!! A lot of people in here buy from LFS that keep fish in those acrylic fish cages. These cages are all one system. Look through those fish cages. I've NEVER been to a LFS that has a fish cage and didn't see at least one fish in there that has ich. Not counting dead fish in these cages. You are telling me that it is a good idea to introduce a fish directly to your main display that is being exposed to disease?
pmui, I hope your treatments work and your fish make it through this. I see you set up a hospital tank for them. Good move. Hopefully people will read and learn from your experience and QT's will become more common. So far, this is the second member in 2 months that has set up a QT due to disease. People who set up QT's should not be looked down on as amatures. They are the ones who are following proper husbandry techniques. Those under the influence of impulse buys and instant gratification and those who are just so good at spotting disease haven't been any help to people having problems with disease, especially people newer to the hobby who may not know exactly what to look for and possibly miss something. Set up a QT!!!!