"Tanked" lets talk about it
- Thread starter jr973
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Not the one last night I watch them turn the garden hose on and filled the. Sea ray tank s
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- Ronkonkoma, NY
+1 Couldn't agree more, there is no such thing as cycled water.
- Location
- yonkers NY
oh yea and lest night that powder blue tank looked so happy in that 30gallon jukebox!
thats really gets on my nerves that had like 3 tangs in a 30 gallon with butterflies hawks cardinals damsels anthias and a flame angel i also hate how the fat gut held that dogged face puffer and made him puff up everyone knows that that can kill a pufer fish
ryangrieder
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- Location
- Northern Jersey
Well, yes there is such thing as cycled water. My bio cube was Nutri sea water pre cycled and I had coral in that day.
And as for big fish in a small tank... Well, I have never heard of their customers complaining about dead fish or anything, I wish I could find current customers side on how their tanks are doing. It would be interesting if they really do have magic trick, or most of the fish die after a day or so...
And as for big fish in a small tank... Well, I have never heard of their customers complaining about dead fish or anything, I wish I could find current customers side on how their tanks are doing. It would be interesting if they really do have magic trick, or most of the fish die after a day or so...
I would say they would die I I don't think there is a thing called cycle water I use to use the premade water but with new wet dry and a new tank you will have a cycle no matter what jmo I think they built nice tanks but that's it just nice tanks I never seen them do a reef tank
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- Bridgewater, NJ
"Cycled" water wouldn't do anything even if it was used (Not even really sure what cycled water would be, water from an established tank?). A very large majority of the bacteria/microbes that cycle a tank are mostly found in the rock/substrate. Substrate could be sand or filter media (ie. bio balls).
water doesn't "cycle" thats why you do a big water change after the cycle. its not the water that matters.
and even if it did the way they stock tanks on day 1 is crazy.
even if they did have a jedi trick.. they should post a disclaimer.. like
" we are pro's doing pro tricks.. you cant do this in the 30gal bowfront you just over paid for". or something like that..
- Location
- Huntington
The only "pro trick" for cycling large tanks is using Fritzzyme which is really more of a commercial size company than hobbyist, although they do make smaller sizes for retail. Most of the major aquariums use it and you can special order large quantities of it (it smells like death died and rotted even in small amounts). It's an industrial version of live bacteria and for larger non-reef systems you need to use the ammonia component to feed the bacteria and speed things up.
When you are dealing with large systems, you can't apply the same rules as you would with a small home tank. Carting water to large jobs costs far more than any benefits you would reap from it. In small tanks maybe but then you still need to keep a massive quantity of water on hand at all times, taking up space that other items that make more money would otherwise be in, which defeats the purpose.
If you are familiar with Murphy's law than you can understand that even the best designed and layed out systems can have problems and stocking a system on day one even if you think the biological is stable is irresponsible, not only for the livestock but the customer as well. Adding thousands of dollars worth of fish to a tank only to realize there is a major problem or some catastrophic equipment failure only makes the problem that much worse. You want to run a system for at least a little while to make sure everything is operating as it should and that applies to any size system.
The other cringe worthy moment from last night was the addition of blue spot stingrays (I won't even go off about handling one of them). Besides being elasmobranchs and already super sensitive to water conditions, the blue spot rays have a terrible survival rate in captivity. Adding hard to keep species to a tank that probably only gets serviced once every two weeks to once a month is ridiculous and probably means certain death for the animal if the customer isn't proactive with the tank. They also failed to mention that they are venomous and even at only 14" in diameter as an adult they have been responsible for human deaths.
When you are dealing with large systems, you can't apply the same rules as you would with a small home tank. Carting water to large jobs costs far more than any benefits you would reap from it. In small tanks maybe but then you still need to keep a massive quantity of water on hand at all times, taking up space that other items that make more money would otherwise be in, which defeats the purpose.
If you are familiar with Murphy's law than you can understand that even the best designed and layed out systems can have problems and stocking a system on day one even if you think the biological is stable is irresponsible, not only for the livestock but the customer as well. Adding thousands of dollars worth of fish to a tank only to realize there is a major problem or some catastrophic equipment failure only makes the problem that much worse. You want to run a system for at least a little while to make sure everything is operating as it should and that applies to any size system.
The other cringe worthy moment from last night was the addition of blue spot stingrays (I won't even go off about handling one of them). Besides being elasmobranchs and already super sensitive to water conditions, the blue spot rays have a terrible survival rate in captivity. Adding hard to keep species to a tank that probably only gets serviced once every two weeks to once a month is ridiculous and probably means certain death for the animal if the customer isn't proactive with the tank. They also failed to mention that they are venomous and even at only 14" in diameter as an adult they have been responsible for human deaths.
- Location
- Jersey City NJ
me and wife like the show, i too am a little upset that they don't do the proper cycle but these guys have been doing it for years and are making big money doing it, I like the show its very entertaining
ryangrieder
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- Northern Jersey
That's because that's not the point of the show. It's an entertainment show, not a care and support show...
- Location
- Long Island
It's mildly entertaining, it holds the attention for now but I can't see there being enough of an audience for it to last longer than a single season, but who knows.
I also think that we are only seeing the tv magic part of the show; think how boring it would be to see the tanks empty because they were cycling. If that is the case, they could at least be upfront and say, "while the NY tank cycles in prep for the marine life, we started work on the cylinder tank" etc, but again, it's tv and it's not a show about animal husbandry. Face it, to anyone but true marine Aquaria enthusiasts, fish keeping and reefkeeping is booooorriiiiinnnnnnggg, and on tv it would be 10x as boring to watch...
So as said above, take it at face value as a mildly entertaining, semi-staged "reality" show that is on a summer season...my guess is that it will be long gone come the fall once the real shows startup. I for one have it relegated to the bedroom dvr for late night pre-sleep viewing, but that's me...
I also think that we are only seeing the tv magic part of the show; think how boring it would be to see the tanks empty because they were cycling. If that is the case, they could at least be upfront and say, "while the NY tank cycles in prep for the marine life, we started work on the cylinder tank" etc, but again, it's tv and it's not a show about animal husbandry. Face it, to anyone but true marine Aquaria enthusiasts, fish keeping and reefkeeping is booooorriiiiinnnnnnggg, and on tv it would be 10x as boring to watch...
So as said above, take it at face value as a mildly entertaining, semi-staged "reality" show that is on a summer season...my guess is that it will be long gone come the fall once the real shows startup. I for one have it relegated to the bedroom dvr for late night pre-sleep viewing, but that's me...
- Location
- Manhattan NY 10023
I enjoyed the show, I'm pretty sure maintenance isn't what the show is about so they skip all that out.
- Location
- Staten Island
Yea seriously take it for what it is. It's NOT a show about reef tanks or the care of them. It's a show about commercial and specialty tanks. The making and installation of them. If it was about tank maintenance and cycles and all that no 1 would watch it except for reef geeks. How many people do you think have reef tanks out there? Probably not anywhere near the ratings they have or would want to have. I don't even think they do reef tanks there is more money and less aggravation in doing fake coral inserts and fish only. They also service all the tanks for the customers, it's not about people learning how to take care of their own. It's about rich people dummies! Think about it those people put in a qt system and it was what? 30 grand? LOL These are people w/ lots of money who don't care and just want something pretty.
- Location
- Huntington
You guys are probably right. The "Planet Earth" series probably would have been a lot more popular if it wasn't so damn sciencey. Science based shows are never popular with the masses...
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