Netcaught fish from Filipino collectors rising

[clarionreef]

There is an embarrassment of riches being produced now by Filipino netcaught divers worldwide without MACs permission.
Net trained Filipinos not trained, aligned or inspired by the MAC produce the following conservatively;

Tonga 200 boxes a week
Vanuatu 100 boxes a week
Belize 100 boxes a week
Saudi Arabia 100 boxes a week
Inside the Philippines 100 + boxes a week

Thats...600 boxes a week
Steve

ps.
If you add MACs 15 boxes a week :lol: the total is now 615 boxes a week of netcaught fishes! Alas...if only they pulled their weight and helped us out in this movement we could reach 1,000!
NOTE;
The good work in Bali in the all netcaught Les Village is not included in the total as they use no Filipino talent. Only home grown.

 

[Anonymous]

Excellent news, and thanks for the post, Steve.

Is there a species list, or is that too much to ask?

Peace,

Chip

 

[clarionreef]

Chip,
There are no species that you need poison to collect...none!
Rather then a list, just buy fish from the outfits that ship the good stuff.
There are enough netcaught fish now in variety and abundance to stock any store. The only issue is if the store cares enough to pursue them....and insist on them to his dealers. Thats about 10 minutes of extra effort a week.
The existance of real netcaught fish is embarrassing to the knee jerk reformer as it begs the question of wether he seeks netcaught fish to save reefs or just paperwork to cover a bad image.
Just do the right thing people and let the good image arise from that.
Reality is changing faster then the old legends of cyanide saturation of S.E.Asia can keep up.
This is because silly sci-fi types rely on old, outdated information and citations to drive current opinion. We all know how outdated 5 years old computer knowledge is....do we not?
The cultural defense of cyanide in the Philippines has fallen thru shame and lack of active support. Its a lame duck and is fading. Fast in the Philippines,[ slower in Indo.] and the South Pacific is coming on like gangbusters.
Netcaught coral beauties and bicolors cost less now from Tonga then from the Philippines!
Real change in commercial reality is actually occuring faster then "slow-mo NGO" inspired change can keep up with!
Steve
Steve

 

[mark@mac]

Steve,

Can you cite the Philippine provinces these net caught fish are coming from? or not?

 

[Anonymous]

Steve,

Can you cite the Philippine provinces these net caught fish are coming from? or not?

<sound of can being openned>

Sure yah wanna open that can o worms

You bet he can

 

[mark@mac]

Gresham,

Of course I wanna open this can of worms; it's a "fresh one"..... 8)

I can assume where they are coming from, knowing most of the places Ferdie is working, but just wanted to clarify it.....

cheers,

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

Gresham,

Of course I wanna open this can of worms; it's a "fresh one"..... 8)

I can assume where they are coming from, knowing most of the places Ferdie is working, but just wanted to clarify it.....

cheers,

Mark

Who says Ferdy has anything to do with all of them

 

[clarionreef]

Divers have grown old...and their children grown up waiting for the trade to catch up to their achievements.
The liberation of Bolinao from cyanide fishing and the hundred or so netcatchers in Zambales and Pangasinan has gone largely unnoticed and unheralded while the focus of attention went to the depleted zones off of Buhol.
Uniting and enlisting seriously talented people to either collect or train has been possible for many years.
These folks are all over the world now and their kids grow up learning from them as they rotate home.
The locals are and have been the neglected experts for so long they are sure the foreigners objectives are no longer sincere.
Still, by sticking to the nets now in increasing numbers, they make a mockery of the paternalistic notions we have often heard about their inability to do anything worthwhile without certification.
Lotsa people doing good w/out the foreign seal of approval is better then few or none doing badly...w/ it......
Give the movement back to the locals.
Sincerely,

 

[spawner]

I only wish I had a price list Steve. Several shops in town would love to order. I told everyone around how about Jenn's fat fishies when I was up here way a few months ago. People are ready down this way.

 

[horge]

The locals are and have been the neglected experts for so long they are sure the foreigners objectives are no longer sincere.

...Lotsa people doing good w/out the foreign seal of approval is better then few or none doing badly...w/ it......

Amen.

 

[clarionreef]

Like I said;
"There is an embarrassment of riches being produced now by Filipino netcaught divers worldwide without MACs permission.
Net trained Filipinos not trained, aligned or inspired by the MAC produce the following conservatively;

Tonga 200 boxes a week
Vanuatu 100 boxes a week
Belize 100 boxes a week
Saudi Arabia 100 boxes a week
Inside the Philippines 100 + boxes a week

Thats...600 boxes a week "

And the local divers in Tonga, Vanuatu, Belize etc?
They are there, but the Filipinos are the best in the world.
How is it then that Filipinos are considered in so much need of foreign assistance?
When setting up a collecting station, business people who sell fish...[not paperwork] are most in need of Filipino assistance!
Steve
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I only wish I had a price list Steve. Several shops in town would love to order. I told everyone around how about Jenn's fat fishies when I was up here way a few months ago. People are ready down this way.

All's you have to do is ask Email, PM, or call him

 

[Anonymous]

Chip,
There are no species that you need poison to collect...none!
Rather then a list, just buy fish from the outfits that ship the good stuff.
There are enough netcaught fish now in variety and abundance to stock any store. The only issue is if the store cares enough to pursue them....and insist on them to his dealers. Thats about 10 minutes of extra effort a week.
The existance of real netcaught fish is embarrassing to the knee jerk reformer as it begs the question of wether he seeks netcaught fish to save reefs or just paperwork to cover a bad image.
Just do the right thing people and let the good image arise from that.
Reality is changing faster then the old legends of cyanide saturation of S.E.Asia can keep up.
This is because silly sci-fi types rely on old, outdated information and citations to drive current opinion. We all know how outdated 5 years old computer knowledge is....do we not?
The cultural defense of cyanide in the Philippines has fallen thru shame and lack of active support. Its a lame duck and is fading. Fast in the Philippines,[ slower in Indo.] and the South Pacific is coming on like gangbusters.
Netcaught coral beauties and bicolors cost less now from Tonga then from the Philippines!
Real change in commercial reality is actually occuring faster then "slow-mo NGO" inspired change can keep up with!
Steve
Steve

615 boxes a week is enough to stock any store?

i'd order 20 boxes in a week retail, on an avg week (some weeks would be higher)for a middlin size sw department in a 4000 sq. ft fishroom

 

[Anonymous]

Chip,
There are no species that you need poison to collect...none!
Rather then a list, just buy fish from the outfits that ship the good stuff.
There are enough netcaught fish now in variety and abundance to stock any store. The only issue is if the store cares enough to pursue them....and insist on them to his dealers. Thats about 10 minutes of extra effort a week.
The existance of real netcaught fish is embarrassing to the knee jerk reformer as it begs the question of wether he seeks netcaught fish to save reefs or just paperwork to cover a bad image.
Just do the right thing people and let the good image arise from that.
Reality is changing faster then the old legends of cyanide saturation of S.E.Asia can keep up.
This is because silly sci-fi types rely on old, outdated information and citations to drive current opinion. We all know how outdated 5 years old computer knowledge is....do we not?
The cultural defense of cyanide in the Philippines has fallen thru shame and lack of active support. Its a lame duck and is fading. Fast in the Philippines,[ slower in Indo.] and the South Pacific is coming on like gangbusters.
Netcaught coral beauties and bicolors cost less now from Tonga then from the Philippines!
Real change in commercial reality is actually occuring faster then "slow-mo NGO" inspired change can keep up with!
Steve
Steve

615 boxes a week is enough to stock any store?

i'd order 20 boxes in a week retail, on an avg week (some weeks would be higher)for a middlin size sw department in a 4000 sq. ft fishroom

Yes, but.....

20 boxes of a domestic pack sure as heck doesn't equal 20 boxes of export pack

 

[Anonymous]

well, i've transhipped too,with hundreds of dams ina box-you can't pack imperators that way anyway so wtf then are you guys refering to?

take one state in this country, tally up all of the stores that buy sell and carry sw fish

either way seems like a drop in the bucket

maybe the boxes are containers? :?:

 

[mark@mac]

export pack vs. domestic pack either way... if 615 boxes is but a drop in the bucket, what is just 15 boxes????? a mere fraction of a drop????

:lol:

 

[dizzy]

It is 1/41 of a drop. Exactly.

 

[clarionreef]

I said........
"Net trained Filipinos not trained, aligned or inspired by the MAC produce the following conservatively; "

This is a conservative estimate that shows what Filipinos can do if allowed to...and deployed to.
It doesn't include non Filipino using sources like Fiji, the Solomons, Tahiti, Hawaii, Cook Islands, the Marshalls etc.
Its is significant that they are now regarded as the most coveted fish collectors there are and also the most maligned and misunderstood.
IF these guys have done this with simple business sponsored development...imagine what they could have done if MAC actually helped.

There has been now a decade of MAC, [not to mention the millions squandred to no acclaim] that were not a factor in training anyone and adding to the population of netcaught divers!
{USCRTF... are you guys in a position to ever understand real time current events? Ot do you still rely on the last decades literature searches?}
Steve
PS. It is also indicative of the truth spoken here to observe that not one of these collectors is a MAC trained collector...as they just don't produce anything good enough to covet..
The conservative tally stands;
Non aligned movement 600 to MACs 15

 

[Anonymous]

export pack vs. domestic pack either way... if 615 boxes is but a drop in the bucket, what is just 15 boxes????? a mere fraction of a drop????

:lol:

i'm fairly certain you're missing my point (?)

 

[Anonymous]

Chip,
There are no species that you need poison to collect...none!
Rather then a list, just buy fish from the outfits that ship the good stuff.
There are enough netcaught fish now in variety and abundance to stock any store. The only issue is if the store cares enough to pursue them....and insist on them to his dealers. Thats about 10 minutes of extra effort a week.
The existance of real netcaught fish is embarrassing to the knee jerk reformer as it begs the question of wether he seeks netcaught fish to save reefs or just paperwork to cover a bad image.
Just do the right thing people and let the good image arise from that.
Reality is changing faster then the old legends of cyanide saturation of S.E.Asia can keep up.
This is because silly sci-fi types rely on old, outdated information and citations to drive current opinion. We all know how outdated 5 years old computer knowledge is....do we not?
The cultural defense of cyanide in the Philippines has fallen thru shame and lack of active support. Its a lame duck and is fading. Fast in the Philippines,[ slower in Indo.] and the South Pacific is coming on like gangbusters.
Netcaught coral beauties and bicolors cost less now from Tonga then from the Philippines!
Real change in commercial reality is actually occuring faster then "slow-mo NGO" inspired change can keep up with!
Steve
Steve

615 boxes a week is enough to stock any store?

i'd order 20 boxes in a week retail, on an avg week (some weeks would be higher)for a middlin size sw department in a 4000 sq. ft fishroom

Yes, but.....

20 boxes of a domestic pack sure as heck doesn't equal 20 boxes of export pack

i'm still waiting for the math that could even remotely show that 800 boxes is enough to stock any store-is steve taking a course in kalkulus ?