Netcaught fish from Filipino collectors rising

[Jaime Baquero]

Mark,
I would point out that we are producing more netcaught fish this month with Pre-MAC Filipinos from Zambales and Bolinao in Tonga alone then MAC has in their entire lifetime.

Caring people in the commercial sector are now making exciting progress and gaining steam...month by month....but MAC just can't/won't contribute anything to the catch totals..
No one in the industry is stopping MAC from getting netting, hiring good trainers and producing good fish properly. No one.
Only they are doing this to themselves. Only they.
This is a strong talking point for the USCRTF when the time comes.
Steve

Why caring people in the commercial sector don't go to the Philippines or Indonesia to make big money as your business is making in Tonga? Is there a huge difference between Tonga and the Philippines or Indonesia?

 

[clarionreef]

yes

 

[Anonymous]

Mark,
I would point out that we are producing more netcaught fish this month with Pre-MAC Filipinos from Zambales and Bolinao in Tonga alone then MAC has in their entire lifetime.

Caring people in the commercial sector are now making exciting progress and gaining steam...month by month....but MAC just can't/won't contribute anything to the catch totals..
No one in the industry is stopping MAC from getting netting, hiring good trainers and producing good fish properly. No one.
Only they are doing this to themselves. Only they.
This is a strong talking point for the USCRTF when the time comes.
Steve

Why caring people in the commercial sector don't go to the Philippines or Indonesia to make big money as your business is making in Tonga? Is there a huge difference between Tonga and the Philippines or Indonesia?

What are you on about? What business does Steve own, and how are they making money in Tonga. Understand this, no NON TONGAN can own a business in Tonga Steve doesn't have any business in Tonga, nor does he make ANY money in Tonga. In fact, he sends money to Tonga, NOT the other way around.

 

[clarionreef]

make big money ??
Hey, let him go..I like it!
Steve
PS.
THE POINT IS...if Filipinos can do so well...and are so very productive with pre MAC experience....why cannot MAC do anything with these people?
Clearly the divers disposition to learn and perform is not the problem.
Steve

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Mark,
I would point out that we are producing more netcaught fish this month with Pre-MAC Filipinos from Zambales and Bolinao in Tonga alone then MAC has in their entire lifetime.

Caring people in the commercial sector are now making exciting progress and gaining steam...month by month....but MAC just can't/won't contribute anything to the catch totals..
No one in the industry is stopping MAC from getting netting, hiring good trainers and producing good fish properly. No one.
Only they are doing this to themselves. Only they.
This is a strong talking point for the USCRTF when the time comes.
Steve

Why caring people in the commercial sector don't go to the Philippines or Indonesia to make big money as your business is making in Tonga? Is there a huge difference between Tonga and the Philippines or Indonesia?

What are you on about? What business does Steve own, and how are they making money in Tonga. Understand this, no NON TONGAN can own a business in Tonga Steve doesn't have any business in Tonga, nor does he make ANY money in Tonga. In fact, he sends money to Tonga, NOT the other way around.

So, he doesn't sale any fish coming from Tonga? right?
' :lol:

 

[Jaime Baquero]

yes

With that short answer I should understand the the government of Tonga regulates this commercial activity and that local fisherfolks get decent prices for their fish, in short getting a good "life style" because of the support of caring people in the commercial sector such as Cortez Marine. No doubt that there must be a benefit, after all any commercial activity is after a profit. Good for you!

I wonder why there are not caring people in the commercial sector supporting this kind of initiative in the Philippines or Indonesia?

 

[mark@mac]

Jaime Baquero wrote:

I wonder why there are not caring people in the commercial sector supporting this kind of initiative in the Philippines or Indonesia?

Jaime,

There are some "caring, responsible people" in the commercial sector supporting "good" efforts and fair trade in the Philippines and Indonesia; it's just not "the norm"..... There is so much work to be done in these two countries especially!

Respectfully,

Mark

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime,

Cortez Marine is no longer in business. Steve works for Aquatic Specialties in San Francisco. They have been buying net-caught MAF from Ruwi in Bali, Indonesia, from Tonga, and several other localities. They are proving that it is possible to buy and sell net-caught MAF, be competitive with other importers (not dealing in net-caught MAF), and still make a profit.

Peter

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Peter,

Good for them. Let's hope more caring people are going to be on board.

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime, There is also the net-caught MAF coming from the exporter working with Ferdinand Cruz. Some other Filipino suppliers have a percentage of their fishes being net-caught (but not 100%). Ferdinand's supply chain is the only one that is 100% net-caught out of PI.

Peter

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Peter,

The problem is that your supplier is mixing Ferdinand's fish with CN fish. Ferdinand is offering to your supplier 100% net caught but your supplier can not offer the same to you. Meaning you are importing into the US cyanide caught fish. It doesn't correspond to the Peter Rubec the researcher I was used to. Does it?

 

[clarionreef]

Perhaps you could enligten us as to where you get your cleaner fish in Canada.
Steve

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime, I resent your false accusation concerning the fish being sold to me by my supplier (the Manila based exporter). You have no knowledge concerning this company (other than its name that I provided to you). I happen to know that it only sells the fish supplied through the collectors working with Ferdinand's NGO.

Ferdinand has a close working relationship with the owner of this company.
They recently replaced one of the managers who tried to buy cyanide-caught fish. They also fired various employees of the company in question. So, while it is not easy, we know that all of fishes being sold by this supplier are from collectors using nets. As I previously stated, we also plan to implement CDT with the municipalities where the collectors reside (from where the fish are shipped to Manila).


Peter Rubec

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Fish getting in Canada, from PH, are a mix of net caught and cyanide caught fish. Suppliers are based in the US, some deal directly with exporters in the PH and some simply avoid fish coming fro Ind or Ph. With the reef-aquarium concept less hobbyists are getting fish.

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Jaime, I resent your false accusation concerning the fish being sold to me by my supplier (the Manila based exporter). You have no knowledge concerning this company (other than its name that I provided to you). I happen to know that it only sells the fish supplied through the collectors working with Ferdinand's NGO.

Ferdinand has a close working relationship with the owner of this company.
They recently replaced one of the managers who tried to buy cyanide-caught fish. They also fired various employees of the company in question. So, while it is not easy, we know that all of fishes being sold by this supplier are from collectors using nets. As I previously stated, we also plan to implement CDT with the municipalities where the collectors reside (from where the fish are shipped to Manila).


Peter Rubec

Peter,

It is not a false accusation. In a previous thread "EASTI Hatchery Growout" I asked " What if samples of fish of the exporter you are dealing with show positive for CN"... your answer "Right now, I accept what I am told. That is that the fish from the exporter I am dealing with sells only net caught fish". Knowing how are things in the Philippines is not possible to accept this answer, you just stated, your supplier replaced one of the managers for wrong doing... he was trying to get CN caught fish in the system, how many CN fish he got in the system before being "caught". I understand how difficult is to work in the Philippines ... the mighty $ talks.

Is EASTI big enough to supply your exporter with the variety and volume to satisfy the demand?

 

[clarionreef]

I wrote;
"Perhaps you could enligten us as to where you get your cleaner fish in Canada."
I didn't mean Canada in general....I ment your fish.
Steve

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime, I might accept that no exporter in PI can presently guarantee that all of their fish are net-caught. However, when I say that the company that I deal with buys 100% of their fish from net collectors, Ferdinand can and is verifying this.

First, he was involved with training most of the collectors to use nets.

Secondly, he visits their villages and acompanies them on some trips to collect fish. If they do not show proficiency with nets, he does not buy fish from them.

Third, the CBUGS program has been opening up areas where collection of MAF has been banned. Now both the Bantay Dagat and the collectors themselves protect their waters to exclude outsiders and to ensure that all collection is done with nets. Ferdinand has provided the municipal officials with his assurances that the collectors will be monitored and that we plan to implement cyanide testing. Hence, there is now a lot of pressure on the collectors to use nets or they will be banned from collecting is these areas.

Fourth, as I stated we have cleaned house with the Manila export company to ensure that everyone fully understands that they can only buy fish from net collectors recommended by Ferdinand.

There is always the possibility that some cheating may occur. But, Ferdinand, the exporter, the collector associations, and the municipal officials are working together to ensure that it will not be tolerated. Collectors will soon be licensed by the municipalities. If there is any indication that cyanide is being used to collect MAF, the collectors will lose their licenses.

Peter Rubec

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime, The answer to your last question is YES.

Peter

 

[Anonymous]

Mark,
I would point out that we are producing more netcaught fish this month with Pre-MAC Filipinos from Zambales and Bolinao in Tonga alone then MAC has in their entire lifetime.

Caring people in the commercial sector are now making exciting progress and gaining steam...month by month....but MAC just can't/won't contribute anything to the catch totals..
No one in the industry is stopping MAC from getting netting, hiring good trainers and producing good fish properly. No one.
Only they are doing this to themselves. Only they.
This is a strong talking point for the USCRTF when the time comes.
Steve

Why caring people in the commercial sector don't go to the Philippines or Indonesia to make big money as your business is making in Tonga? Is there a huge difference between Tonga and the Philippines or Indonesia?

What are you on about? What business does Steve own, and how are they making money in Tonga. Understand this, no NON TONGAN can own a business in Tonga Steve doesn't have any business in Tonga, nor does he make ANY money in Tonga. In fact, he sends money to Tonga, NOT the other way around.

So, he doesn't sale any fish coming from Tonga? right?
' :lol:

maybe if your english was a bit clearer, and you understood it a bit better, we wouldn't have these converstions. My rebuttle was clear as day, Steve does not own a station in Tonga and is an employee of a company now. "His" company is what I was rebutting Jaime


You may want to take my posts to babblefish from now on, so you can get them put into you native tongue, what ever it may be.

The fact is, Tonga has cost them as much as they've made from it

 

[Jaime Baquero]

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