NYPDFrogman said:
you are correct frank.
FOR THE RECORD, MY PLAN WAS ONLY A JOKE. I DO NOT PLAN IN ANY WAY TO ACTUALLY TAKE ANY ACTIONS IN THAT PLAN, NOR WOULD I SUGGEST FOR ANYONE ELSE TO ACTUALLY DO IT EITHER.
the petition however, i would sign.
been a while since i posted last, but check this out...
- Thread starter jenniebutterfly
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you are correct frank.
FOR THE RECORD, MY PLAN WAS ONLY A JOKE. I DO NOT PLAN IN ANY WAY TO ACTUALLY TAKE ANY ACTIONS IN THAT PLAN, NOR WOULD I SUGGEST FOR ANYONE ELSE TO ACTUALLY DO IT EITHER.
the petition however, i would sign.
buying the shark would just let them order another one.
I understand the intent though. more than raising the money for the shark would be findng a proper home for it now.
it would probably be easier to ship it back to where it came from and let it go.
lol Frank, the power of delete
I understand the intent though. more than raising the money for the shark would be findng a proper home for it now.
it would probably be easier to ship it back to where it came from and let it go.
lol Frank, the power of delete
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...s0? iS thiS all taLk oR are we gonnA do somthin' about iT :scratch: :usa1: souNds liKe one of mY dozen daiLy meetiNgs...
I'm waiting to see what froggie comes up with.
I think contacting the corporate office is a good start.
No pet store chain wants negative press about mistreating animals.
I'm sure every shark expert and marine biologist would go on camera and say that is cruel to the shark. we could call some of out local aquariums and get a statement from them. I think a email/phone call is a good place to start.
But think about this, what are they going to do with the shark?
this is a pet land, it's not like they have a 500 gallon tank to move it too.
that 55 is probably the biggest tank in the store.
in the best scenario that means we, or them would have to find it a new home. don't misunderstand, I'm all for getting the shark out of that tank, but where is it going to go? we need to figure that out as well. ideas?
I think contacting the corporate office is a good start.
No pet store chain wants negative press about mistreating animals.
I'm sure every shark expert and marine biologist would go on camera and say that is cruel to the shark. we could call some of out local aquariums and get a statement from them. I think a email/phone call is a good place to start.
But think about this, what are they going to do with the shark?
this is a pet land, it's not like they have a 500 gallon tank to move it too.
that 55 is probably the biggest tank in the store.
in the best scenario that means we, or them would have to find it a new home. don't misunderstand, I'm all for getting the shark out of that tank, but where is it going to go? we need to figure that out as well. ideas?
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- Philippines
hoNestLy, i wiSh we could get a netWork invoLv'd. thiS is a nationwide probLem and iF they can put puppiEs in the newS, wHy not fish :irked:
jenniebutterfly
Senior Member
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- Greenpoint, Brooklyn
i don't know if it even had a price, i remember the sticker saying what kind of shark it was. it may have had a price, but i was too upset to pay attention to that. was thinking of going back out that way today to go to michaels for some things, so if i do i will stop by and see what it says.
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- Bloomfield, NJ
we should all pitch in some cash for it..and one of us could take it to a local aquarium...that should be the way to go...
local aquariums stopped taking sharks. There are too many of them as is. In that tank its one shark but every petland sells them. The fact is that this is a nations full of dog and cat lovers. No news program is going to pick it up. People have been fighting for sharks for ages but unfortunately not too many people care.
Unless someone buys it its a lost cause. You gotta keep it real. If we pitch in to buy it its a sale for the store and they will get another one.
Lets not be naive!!!!
It does not hurt to call though!
Unless someone buys it its a lost cause. You gotta keep it real. If we pitch in to buy it its a sale for the store and they will get another one.
Lets not be naive!!!!
It does not hurt to call though!
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- Queens, NY
Hey guys, I called and left a message with the biologist. She was out of the office today and is suppose to be back in on Monday. I am going to go to the petshop today and give 'em a piece of my mind.beyondnp said:
I just called them and spoke to the manager there.
I was very calm throughout the entire conversation and began by asking him if he had a shark in his tank. He hesitantly said "Yes." I then asked him how big the tank is and he claims that the shark is in a 90 gallon tank and that it would be happier in a 125 gallon tank. I told him that was a good way of thinking but I think a shark would prefer being in a much bigger environment than that. I asked him some of the requirements he thinks a shark would need and he quickly told me that I should come down and take a look myself. I asked him the question again and again he repeated that I should really go down there and see the situation first hand, with a lil tone of annoyance. Before I could answer, he told me he needed to attend to his customers and hung up.
Well, it seems like he's feeling guilty about the situation. He's being respectful but at the same time, too stubborn to admit whats going on is wrong. That's my analysis of the conversation.
OK.....what to do next....shall I email the corporate or make a visit down there? I won't be able to make the trip till tomorrow.
I was very calm throughout the entire conversation and began by asking him if he had a shark in his tank. He hesitantly said "Yes." I then asked him how big the tank is and he claims that the shark is in a 90 gallon tank and that it would be happier in a 125 gallon tank. I told him that was a good way of thinking but I think a shark would prefer being in a much bigger environment than that. I asked him some of the requirements he thinks a shark would need and he quickly told me that I should come down and take a look myself. I asked him the question again and again he repeated that I should really go down there and see the situation first hand, with a lil tone of annoyance. Before I could answer, he told me he needed to attend to his customers and hung up.
Well, it seems like he's feeling guilty about the situation. He's being respectful but at the same time, too stubborn to admit whats going on is wrong. That's my analysis of the conversation.
OK.....what to do next....shall I email the corporate or make a visit down there? I won't be able to make the trip till tomorrow.
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Froggie I do not think you need to waste your time to go see what's happening. We have the photo Jennie posted, even if that's a 220 gallon tank it's still too small. let's say it is a 90, it's painfully obvious the shark has no room swim.
I would contact the corporate office and make them aware of the situation.
Ask them what they can do to help the situation, and most important make sure their stores stop ordering sharks. they do not just show up by accident. you may say you belong to a local aquarium club with over a 1000 members, all who are concerned with the improper treatment of the shark. If you like post the letter before you send it.
- j
I would contact the corporate office and make them aware of the situation.
Ask them what they can do to help the situation, and most important make sure their stores stop ordering sharks. they do not just show up by accident. you may say you belong to a local aquarium club with over a 1000 members, all who are concerned with the improper treatment of the shark. If you like post the letter before you send it.
- j
This is what I'm planning to send...any comments appreciated
"To Whom It May Concern:
Hello. I’m a resident of the New York City area. I recently discovered that a Petland Store houses an over two feet long shark in a realatively small aquarium, roughly 75-90gallons. Here’s a photo of the shark in the tank. http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/for/130722243.html
From scientific study and proven hobbyist experience, sharks should be kept in a much larger, specialized environment than just a 75 gallon glass tank. I spoke to the manager over phone about the situation and he confirmed that the shark should belong in larger tank but is reluctant to do anything about the situation. I and other members of my reef club (over 1000 members strong) feel that this type of animal confinement is more than irresponsible, but cruel. I urge your company to take action on this matter. This isolated incident is a part of wider problem with your Petland Discount chain stores. It’s become the norm to presume that most Petland Discounts stores house dead and/or disease-ridden fish and other aquatic live-stock. Aside from notifying your corporate offices of this incident, I have two questions:
1) Does Petland have any safe guards in place to monitor the purchase, containment, and treatment of it’s livestock?
2) How can Petland remedy these gaps in employee education and responsibility for the health and safety of their livestock?
I understand that these questions and such incidents are at times extreme and may not reflect what Petland stands for. Please show us that you care for the comfort and health of our pets. My fellow reef members and I are anxiously waiting for your response and action. Thank you.
Best Regards,"
"To Whom It May Concern:
Hello. I’m a resident of the New York City area. I recently discovered that a Petland Store houses an over two feet long shark in a realatively small aquarium, roughly 75-90gallons. Here’s a photo of the shark in the tank. http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/for/130722243.html
From scientific study and proven hobbyist experience, sharks should be kept in a much larger, specialized environment than just a 75 gallon glass tank. I spoke to the manager over phone about the situation and he confirmed that the shark should belong in larger tank but is reluctant to do anything about the situation. I and other members of my reef club (over 1000 members strong) feel that this type of animal confinement is more than irresponsible, but cruel. I urge your company to take action on this matter. This isolated incident is a part of wider problem with your Petland Discount chain stores. It’s become the norm to presume that most Petland Discounts stores house dead and/or disease-ridden fish and other aquatic live-stock. Aside from notifying your corporate offices of this incident, I have two questions:
1) Does Petland have any safe guards in place to monitor the purchase, containment, and treatment of it’s livestock?
2) How can Petland remedy these gaps in employee education and responsibility for the health and safety of their livestock?
I understand that these questions and such incidents are at times extreme and may not reflect what Petland stands for. Please show us that you care for the comfort and health of our pets. My fellow reef members and I are anxiously waiting for your response and action. Thank you.
Best Regards,"
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jenniebutterfly
Senior Member
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- Greenpoint, Brooklyn
i went back. the sticker only says what kind of shark it is. oh, so sad. i know if i confronted someone i would lose it, so that was out of the question. the tank does not look like a 90. i looked at it better today and i would say a 75. still sad though. thing kept bumping it's head on the tank walls.
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- NY
Jennie, a 75 or 90 is irrelevant. They both have the same footprint. 48" x 18". The only difference is the height. The 75 is 20" the 90 is 24". I'm no where near the level of advanced reefer, but what I do know is that fish don't generally swim up and down. They swim side to side. So the same footprint for the tanks is all that is important.
Froggie, your letter is very pleasant and to the point. In the sentence, "This isolated incident is a part of wider problem with your Petland Discount chain stores", I think you should remove the word isolated. The intent is not to accuse them of this offense repetitively in all stores, but also not to minimize it by referencing it as being isolated either.
Your numbered question 1.....Are you referring to safeguards in place by the store themselves or the purchaser? As if to require them to prove they can house a shark in an adequate size tank or their own stock.
Question numbered 2 should almost be a statement as opposed to a question of 'how can Petland remedy......?'. More direct and appropriate might be, "Petland needs to take a more proactive stance with regards to educating their staff of the needs of these living beings. My phone call to your establishment (as well as the calls made by my fellow club members) were indicative of the poorly trained staff you have caring for these animals."
These thoughts are obviously JMO, but I felt they might be useful to you/us/the shark. You did a great job on this and I commend you. Not many people see a wrong and take it to the lengths you have. Kudos fbb.
Russ
Froggie, your letter is very pleasant and to the point. In the sentence, "This isolated incident is a part of wider problem with your Petland Discount chain stores", I think you should remove the word isolated. The intent is not to accuse them of this offense repetitively in all stores, but also not to minimize it by referencing it as being isolated either.
Your numbered question 1.....Are you referring to safeguards in place by the store themselves or the purchaser? As if to require them to prove they can house a shark in an adequate size tank or their own stock.
Question numbered 2 should almost be a statement as opposed to a question of 'how can Petland remedy......?'. More direct and appropriate might be, "Petland needs to take a more proactive stance with regards to educating their staff of the needs of these living beings. My phone call to your establishment (as well as the calls made by my fellow club members) were indicative of the poorly trained staff you have caring for these animals."
These thoughts are obviously JMO, but I felt they might be useful to you/us/the shark. You did a great job on this and I commend you. Not many people see a wrong and take it to the lengths you have. Kudos fbb.
Russ
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Hey Froggie - to whom it may concern is never a good thing. If you want to make an impact the key is to get his attention and give a solution. You bash them in any way they will not go for it. Soft education is the way to go here.
Using this boards name is fine. But you have to insinuate that the members currently dont shop there but if the situation were to improve that we would.
He is a businessman. It does not cost him much to have the shark die, but it will cost him valuable floor space to house it properly. Offer him something in exchange for the business, otherwise your letter will end up in the circular file.
Like I said b4, we cant be Naive!
Here is a start for you:
Ed Kunzelman, CEO
Petland Corporate Offices
250 Riverside Street
P.O. Box 1606
Chillicothe, Ohio 45601
Using this boards name is fine. But you have to insinuate that the members currently dont shop there but if the situation were to improve that we would.
He is a businessman. It does not cost him much to have the shark die, but it will cost him valuable floor space to house it properly. Offer him something in exchange for the business, otherwise your letter will end up in the circular file.
Like I said b4, we cant be Naive!
Here is a start for you:
Ed Kunzelman, CEO
Petland Corporate Offices
250 Riverside Street
P.O. Box 1606
Chillicothe, Ohio 45601
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And CC these guys. They are in charge of the franchises.
Frank Difatta
President, 20 years.
Primary focus: corporate planning and implementation, franchise and key vendor relations, retail operations, training and marketing.
Greg Hudson
Chief Operating Officer, 18 years.
Primary focus: new store development, franchise relations, retail operations, corporate accounting and finance, legal/corporate administration.
Brian Winslow
Director of Retail Operations, 11 years.
Primary focus: franchisee service and support systems, training, and direction of Business Improvement Consultants.
Jim Whitman
Franchise Development, 25 years.
Primary focus: recruiting and approving qualified franchisees.
Frank Difatta
President, 20 years.
Primary focus: corporate planning and implementation, franchise and key vendor relations, retail operations, training and marketing.
Greg Hudson
Chief Operating Officer, 18 years.
Primary focus: new store development, franchise relations, retail operations, corporate accounting and finance, legal/corporate administration.
Brian Winslow
Director of Retail Operations, 11 years.
Primary focus: franchisee service and support systems, training, and direction of Business Improvement Consultants.
Jim Whitman
Franchise Development, 25 years.
Primary focus: recruiting and approving qualified franchisees.
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- Howell, NJ
how about a group trip up to ohiooooooo.. corporate offices having 1000 MR.com members lolz.. now that would be an impact.. lolz
froggie the letter was great.. i would def. take masterswimmers and hermans rec.. petland is a business and as herman said they dont care about the fish but they care about 1000 people not going into there store to purchase.... thats what i see as a businessman.. but well thought out and i def. appreciate u going all the way with this.. thanks from us and the shark
froggie the letter was great.. i would def. take masterswimmers and hermans rec.. petland is a business and as herman said they dont care about the fish but they care about 1000 people not going into there store to purchase.... thats what i see as a businessman.. but well thought out and i def. appreciate u going all the way with this.. thanks from us and the shark
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