Why is it pretty obvious? Everyone has a opinion whether we agree with it or not. Lfs in store qt techniques have already been discussed. Prices what they pay and what you see in the store have already been discussed. Overhead and the crazy numbers that are no where accurate have already been discussed. So what's the reason to hide? Lfs are turning a profit despite what they tell us. If not they wouldn't remain in business to keep losing money. That would be plain dumb. For any lfs to tell you they do it for the love of the hobby is nonsense. Once you open a business it's no longer a hobby but a business. We open up business to make money not for love. But if any of you lfs are doing it for the love of the hobby we will all take 3 of your most expensive fish for free cause we love the fish so much and the customers always right right? Lol
What's your Opinion about charging extra..for Qt fish? ....
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If you can't or won't except or recognize the diversity of the lfs owners, or the hobbyists needs and wants, but instead only keep hammering the same point over and over using different made up scenarios ..... then it's just verbal masturbation
saying all lfs owners make money, or embark on trying to make a go of it as a business solely for profit is so far from the truth it's puzzling
saying all lfs owners make money, or embark on trying to make a go of it as a business solely for profit is so far from the truth it's puzzling
+1 I bet the money is in the maintenance but they are entitled to earn a living. Why are some people in this hobby so hard on the stores? I know a jeweler and I know how much diamonds go for in the rapreport(i know i misspelled that) but i wouldn't dare question his prices. at work I laugh at my easy days and say I can't believe i get paid for this. why can't everybody else?
What is wrong with this post? People giving there opinions.
Now I for one when I first saw and read the qt post from pop corals thought it was great. I have never qt'd before and didn't qt my fish. I have loss countless fish and I got tired of losing money. I asked a bunch of questions. Talked to a bunch of fellow reefers and I learned how to qt. For someone who doesn't have the time or space or the money this service would be ok. But then I thought about it and people correct me if my thoughts are a little cloudy. If a store can provide a service like this that means they have the room and the capabilities right? So if that's the case why wouldn't they just do it from the beginning to offer the healthiest and best looking fish for us the buyers? Why put a extra price on things that are already expensive if you have the space and the means to do it? Then they could of added on whatever price they wanted and justified the price by letting the customers know instead of offering to do it. Meaning they could do it if they choose but they rather you pay for it. Please correct me if I'm wrong
Now I for one when I first saw and read the qt post from pop corals thought it was great. I have never qt'd before and didn't qt my fish. I have loss countless fish and I got tired of losing money. I asked a bunch of questions. Talked to a bunch of fellow reefers and I learned how to qt. For someone who doesn't have the time or space or the money this service would be ok. But then I thought about it and people correct me if my thoughts are a little cloudy. If a store can provide a service like this that means they have the room and the capabilities right? So if that's the case why wouldn't they just do it from the beginning to offer the healthiest and best looking fish for us the buyers? Why put a extra price on things that are already expensive if you have the space and the means to do it? Then they could of added on whatever price they wanted and justified the price by letting the customers know instead of offering to do it. Meaning they could do it if they choose but they rather you pay for it. Please correct me if I'm wrong
there's no making everyone happy. That's not my fault or a lfs fault.
qt costs money, and is being offered as an option for ppl that want it. it's not being forced down your throat. Why try to force that it should be free and a given? It's not realistic to expect that.
Scenario.....
You go to Best Buy because you believe you'll get a good price and a quality product based on your experiences there. They offer you an extended warranty. Some ppl are put off that they're trying to make more money by selling you more stuff. Others are eager to by that service. While a whack few, imo, feel that if they can offer this service than they should and it should be free. As if that money spent comes from the heavens. Or some commi thinking that it should be built into the price at every store, and everyone should be forced to pay the extra expense.
Or you could just say no thank you, I don't want the extended warranty and get on with your life.
I'm all about sharing opinions. It's one of the things that make this hobby successful and great. On the other end of that spectrum and on the Internet there's trolling. Considering the origins of this thread, and where it was birthed from think that's fair to say. The thing that gets me is why ppl would trash talk a paying vendor, who make this place free for the hobbyists here, and make absurd generalizations about lfs as a group. Or individually when they've never met or been to the store.
qt costs money, and is being offered as an option for ppl that want it. it's not being forced down your throat. Why try to force that it should be free and a given? It's not realistic to expect that.
Scenario.....
You go to Best Buy because you believe you'll get a good price and a quality product based on your experiences there. They offer you an extended warranty. Some ppl are put off that they're trying to make more money by selling you more stuff. Others are eager to by that service. While a whack few, imo, feel that if they can offer this service than they should and it should be free. As if that money spent comes from the heavens. Or some commi thinking that it should be built into the price at every store, and everyone should be forced to pay the extra expense.
Or you could just say no thank you, I don't want the extended warranty and get on with your life.
I'm all about sharing opinions. It's one of the things that make this hobby successful and great. On the other end of that spectrum and on the Internet there's trolling. Considering the origins of this thread, and where it was birthed from think that's fair to say. The thing that gets me is why ppl would trash talk a paying vendor, who make this place free for the hobbyists here, and make absurd generalizations about lfs as a group. Or individually when they've never met or been to the store.
First and foremost I'm not trashing anyone. Because if where I live I have no choice but to travel for anything saltwater related. Every store has its positives and negatives. I've always said pop corals has the best and nicest selection of corals out of all the lfs I have been to and I've been to most of them. Pop corals medication is top notch. No other store I have been to has a selection of medications like pop corals
Now you made a interesting quote as far as Best Buy. You buy whatever and are offered the extended warranty. Kind of like what pop is offering. You buy it for peace of mind or you don't because you think it's a waste. Judgement call. Best Buy you pay for the extended warranty whether it be 2 years or 5 years. Something goes wrong with your purchase they either fix it or replace it for free. Why? Because you paid extra for it. So if one purchases the service from pop corals you suggest that if the fish dies or gets sick he should fix it or replace it for free? Why? Because we/you paid extra for that service.
Now you made a interesting quote as far as Best Buy. You buy whatever and are offered the extended warranty. Kind of like what pop is offering. You buy it for peace of mind or you don't because you think it's a waste. Judgement call. Best Buy you pay for the extended warranty whether it be 2 years or 5 years. Something goes wrong with your purchase they either fix it or replace it for free. Why? Because you paid extra for it. So if one purchases the service from pop corals you suggest that if the fish dies or gets sick he should fix it or replace it for free? Why? Because we/you paid extra for that service.
I'm not pointing to you. Since you brought up pop coral you know what I'm saying.
I won't speak for a retailer. Guess it depends on the type and extent of the warranty. I agree that this service is problematic at best for both parties. Do ppl brake things themselves and then say it was no fault of their own. Sure. Do warranty companies try to claim it was the consumers fault and get away with laying out their end of the bargain. Sure. But as with Best Buy, in the end it usually works out and finds both parties satisfied
I won't speak for a retailer. Guess it depends on the type and extent of the warranty. I agree that this service is problematic at best for both parties. Do ppl brake things themselves and then say it was no fault of their own. Sure. Do warranty companies try to claim it was the consumers fault and get away with laying out their end of the bargain. Sure. But as with Best Buy, in the end it usually works out and finds both parties satisfied
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- poughquag, ny
ill state this for axsignaturecorals. ive known ralph for almost a decade and have been buying fish from him for almost as long. i have never had a issue with any fish i have gotten from him.
now for who should be wt'ing a fish, well thats the hobbiest thing to do, i wouldnt expect a lfs to qt a fish for a month, the cost of the fish would be 4 times as much,
now for who should be wt'ing a fish, well thats the hobbiest thing to do, i wouldnt expect a lfs to qt a fish for a month, the cost of the fish would be 4 times as much,
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- Upper West Side
If I owned a store I wouldn't touch this discussion with a 10 foot poll. It is flame bait.
The limit to what stores should have (almost mandatory) is a good UV system and MAYBE run copper, but even this is iffy and I know many successful stores that don't. (Copper is really only useful if used for an extended period and doesn't help much in a situation with high turn over of stock)
Setting up QT for customers can be a great service if done right. Is each customers fish being QT'ed in their own closed loop system? If not, this is not going to be a very effective QT.
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The limit to what stores should have (almost mandatory) is a good UV system and MAYBE run copper, but even this is iffy and I know many successful stores that don't. (Copper is really only useful if used for an extended period and doesn't help much in a situation with high turn over of stock)
Setting up QT for customers can be a great service if done right. Is each customers fish being QT'ed in their own closed loop system? If not, this is not going to be a very effective QT.
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The 'service' that POP corals is offering, is to QT the fish...if you want an 'extended warranty' on the fish, that would be another additional charge!
It is unfortunate that everyone believes that 'the customer is always right'... they rarely are...but the business doesn't want to tell you that...
I sold my 'retail' car dealerships in 1991 and went into wholesale...best decision ever...would NEVER go back to dealing with retail customers!
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- staten island
I dont know about you guys but 80% of people who are in this hobby dont qt there fish, i would pay the extra money to get a qted fish then id qt it myself when its home. Theres also 95% of pet stores that qt there fish and charge atleast 20% more then the regular asking price. Wether its a wrasse or a tang im not buying it unless its healthy. Theres other sponsers that qt fish for extra money, im glad pop corals jumped on the bandwagon to offer this service instead of people that buy who dont qt having to mass murder there fish and tanks. They now have an option to pay the extra money and patients to get a healthy fish if they shop there
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Now that's a good idea, and gives incentive to lfs to give you a healthy fish the first time. You know, from the healthy ocean. If it comes with free shipping i'll take it!
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When I lived in Paris there was a store that was Qt'ing their fish "the proper way". Aka long term in a tank of their own etc etc. Of course they were more expensive, but when you live in a tiny apartment without room for a proper Qt... it is worth it. I remember their beautiful semi-adult angels.
Actually they are still around, and you can check the prices... http://www.decorexotique.com/stocklist/#
Actually they are still around, and you can check the prices... http://www.decorexotique.com/stocklist/#
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- Upper West Side
Honestly, I think most customers would walk away because they would see the higher pricetag of a properly QT'ed fish and prefer to risk it and buy it less elsewhere. Things are too competitive here. There are more shops selling fish and ideally QT would involve a seperate set of systems "behind the scenes" where shipments are segregated and kept for about a week in medicated tanks with UV. Impractical, unfortunately. The few stores I knew did this went out of business.
So, at a minimum a store should be running UV. Hypo or hyper salinity is unnecessary because it will add stress to an already stressed fish, making it more likely to succumb to a disease once it leaves the medicated system.
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So, at a minimum a store should be running UV. Hypo or hyper salinity is unnecessary because it will add stress to an already stressed fish, making it more likely to succumb to a disease once it leaves the medicated system.
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Think yes, most would walk away, but imo it's not so much a competitive thing, and is more a lack of trust and loyalty thing. As an optional service many members have said yeah, great, works for me.
A week is not enough, uv won't work with many meds, and hypo reduces stress.
A week is not enough, uv won't work with many meds, and hypo reduces stress.
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- Amityville, NY
I wouldn't pay extra for QT fish...simply because I can never trust that the QT protocol was done correctly. So IMO, there is no benefit to me for a QT service.
I'm also biased because I already have a 30g QT that's always setup and ready to go...however some hobbyist don't have the space or time or resources to run and manage a separate QT setup. So for them it might make sense to pay extra for the service.
Even if I had no choice and can only purchase QT fish, I will still QT the fish myself after purchase, just to minimize any risk and for my peace of mind.
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I'm also biased because I already have a 30g QT that's always setup and ready to go...however some hobbyist don't have the space or time or resources to run and manage a separate QT setup. So for them it might make sense to pay extra for the service.
Even if I had no choice and can only purchase QT fish, I will still QT the fish myself after purchase, just to minimize any risk and for my peace of mind.
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- Massapequa
I keep my salinity for my fowlr tank around 1.015. Any fish id ever have die in this tank was due to a social issue. I think now that my triggers are gone and I use acclimation boxes my success rate will go up.
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- Upper West Side
I think that any effort to hold a fish after acclimating it to the stores water is a good thing. Less chance of it dying or getting sick if you give it a chance to recuperate before putting it through more stress. But I have to agree, I wouldn't pay more to QT a purchase unless I REALLY trust the store.
My old maintenance guy would QT fish for me. I didn't have room for a QT tank. This is a service I was willing to pay for because he did not have hundreds of fish a week to deal with.
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My old maintenance guy would QT fish for me. I didn't have room for a QT tank. This is a service I was willing to pay for because he did not have hundreds of fish a week to deal with.
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- Long Island
how long is the QT period and much extra should be changed?
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