What's your Opinion about charging extra..for Qt fish? ....

[Alfredo De La Fe]

Also, I like the idea of an optional QT period. A medicated system is NOT enough. This prevents major outbreaks and fish showing symptoms but most fish don't last a week in a stores tank and during that week it is exposed to hundreds of other fish being in the same water.

A QT should be at least 2-3 weeks. Rather than pay a lot for the fish up front I would rather know what I am being charged for QT.

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[BioMan]

Ralph, I noticed in this thread you've got a guy trolling you,,i don't know why,I gotta say that in addition to all the good stores out there Ralph at AX has got a very well thought out fish system. The main room looks great and downstairs I've seen the different coral and fish add on plus the tones of live rock for the sumps. Also, Ralph and I have a ton of mutual friends on Facebook that have been in the business for many years and he's also got selling rights on some of the established auction groups.
My 2 cents to the OP, I think in this hobby the customer would want to QT the fish themselves or perhaps the store can hold onto the fish for a few weeks if theres room to be sure it doesn't die from the poison used to catch said fishs. I personally love each fish i have and named some of them, I bought a dog from a breeder once and pay all his vet bills,,so to me they're both pets.

 

[Alfredo De La Fe]

Just a quick note... Poisons are not used to catch fish anymore, at least not by the major suppliers. It is more the stress from collection and transit plus being exposed to hundreds or thousands of fish from different regions in a closed system.

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[BioMan]

Just a quick note... Poisons are not used to catch fish anymore, at least not by the major suppliers. It is more the stress from collection and transit plus being exposed to hundreds or thousands of fish from different regions in a closed system.

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dice no cyanide,, this article was published this year. I doubt things have turned around that quick.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-saltwater-tropical-fish-cyanide-coral-reefs/

I don't mean to steer this off topic too much, but I do always see adds for "fresh from blah blah blah" but don't remember seeing anything other than clowns from closed system breeding.

 

[theMeat]

Just a quick note... Poisons are not used to catch fish anymore, at least not by the major suppliers. It is more the stress from collection and transit plus being exposed to hundreds or thousands of fish from different regions in a closed system.

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Have heard the same thing, have also heard that is bs and they still do it many places. Have been to some places where fish are collected and can say it's way possible that even tho they might not be allowed to, they do anyway, and nobody except the dead fish know. They also use explosions to stun fish, which can't be good, and depending on proximity, maybe really not good.

 

[Alfredo De La Fe]

dice no cyanide,, this article was published this year. I doubt things have turned around that quick.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-saltwater-tropical-fish-cyanide-coral-reefs/

I don't mean to steer this off topic too much, but I do always see adds for "fresh from blah blah blah" but don't remember seeing anything other than clowns from closed system breeding.

This article was very biased and used VERY old data. It was a hatchet job trying to kill our hobby. Nat Geo has done several of these over the past 5 years on a variety of issues, which is very disappointing. That article is worse than worthless.

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[Alfredo De La Fe]

Have heard the same thing, have also heard that is bs and they still do it many places. Have been to some places where fish are collected and can say it's way possible that even tho they might not be allowed to, they do anyway, and nobody except the dead fish know. They also use explosions to stun fish, which can't be good, and depending on proximity, maybe really not good.

I personally know several of the owners from the top suppliers and can say without ANY reservation that they would NEVER tolerate either of these methods. In fact, they zealously guard their reefs. It puts food on their table and the tables of hundreds of families.

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[BioMan]

This article was very biased and used VERY old data. It was a hatchet job trying to kill our hobby. Nat Geo has done several of these over the past 5 years on a variety of issues, which is very disappointing. That article is worse than worthless.

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my engineering mind wants to know then how exactly are they catching these fish now? these divers suddenly get quicker with the net?

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

I have to give it to Ralph at ax corals, he knows what he's talking about and has a passion about his business. Last week Friday I stopped by his store to checkout some corals since I haven't been there in a while. At first I thought Ralph was schooling this young kid about water quality but later on while listening to his conversation I found out he was refusing to sell a very expensive fish to this young kid without first knowing about his tank conditions. This kid wasn't doing any water changes and Ralph offer to test his water for free before selling him the fish. Honest and Professional Service. I was impressed

Thanks for the kind words.. its really appreciated

 

[BioMan]

I personally know several of the owners from the top suppliers and can say without ANY reservation that they would NEVER tolerate either of these methods. In fact, they zealously guard their reefs. It puts food on their table and the tables of hundreds of families.

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bro I think because I'm typing my point isn't clear. What I'm saying is you're right, I've got no idea how they catch fish but i do know any fish casualty I've ever had, aside from carpet jumpers, has happened within the first few days in my tank and perhaps the country. so if POP or whoever is selling a fish i like for a good price I got no quarrels tossing the guy an extra ten bucks to sit on it a few weeks and make sure he's good.(if i didn't have my own qt of course)

 

[Alfredo De La Fe]

my engineering mind wants to know then how exactly are they catching these fish now? these divers suddenly get quicker with the net?

Google is your friend. There was a MAJOR effort undertaken many years ago to educate collectors. Most of the local governments have also taken the lead in oversight. There are hundreds of videos, photos and stories out there. This is not new and it is very easy to find the truth for yourself. In fact, on Facebook you can see plenty of photos and videos on the RVS Fishworld page (a major supplier), including a photo of the new fisheries building the government is building.

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[Alfredo De La Fe]

5 second search on YouTube gave me several hundred results. Here is one:

https://youtu.be/yVWhwbb9h2I

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[Alfredo De La Fe]

FYI, that video is from 2013. Pretty much all major suppliers use non-destructive methods now.

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[AXsignaturecorals]

I had an experience with a vendor at a swap. Bought a clam and my clam and several other customers clams died. They extended a credit and didn't bother telling me it had an expiration date. That $100 fleecing has cost them THOUSANDS of dollars in my business and THOUSANDS more that I shared my story with. On the other end, I have met a few guys here that are sincere and really love this hobby. They may not be very business savvy, but I will support them 1000% in any way I can.

Ralph- your numbers are pretty low. I bet your overhead is easily 10K a month. You are not factoring in a lot of things... I honestly want to make it to your shop, everything I have seen from you screams that you are a standup guy.

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Thank you for the compliment... yes overhead can be an issue lol... i try to keep competitive pricing all within reason.. funny you say my prices are low.. there seems to be a misconception that im expensive.. because i am a direct importer i do get some very unique and rare corals and fish witch can be pricy.. but overall my livestock is very reasonable... i have taken very long to start to bring in livestock because of this very topic.. i wanted to make sure that my sytems are in premium conditions to house these beautiful animals out of respect for this hobby and you the customer and mostly out of respect for wildlife... i look forward to meeting you soon my friend..

 

[BioMan]

Google is your friend. There was a MAJOR effort undertaken many years ago to educate collectors. Most of the local governments have also taken the lead in oversight. There are hundreds of videos, photos and stories out there. This is not new and it is very easy to find the truth for yourself. In fact, on Facebook you can see plenty of photos and videos on the RVS Fishworld page (a major supplier), including a photo of the new fisheries building the government is building.

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Alfredo,,I didn't mean exclusively poisoning i should edit that to general catching practices because i did see the alternatives to cyanide and explosions. i also saw those methods they don't feed the fish to avoid them dirtying the water. basically whatever the case may be due to the shock of being caught and shipped a service that takes the burden off the cooling down phase or domesticating as it were, is a decent idea and worth the shot.personally i don't need the service, if they're eating and colors look good ill nurse it myself but not everybody has the resources that we have
also ill watch the video you juswst posted because i do like this stuff

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

Ralph, I noticed in this thread you've got a guy trolling you,,i don't know why,I gotta say that in addition to all the good stores out there Ralph at AX has got a very well thought out fish system. The main room looks great and downstairs I've seen the different coral and fish add on plus the tones of live rock for the sumps. Also, Ralph and I have a ton of mutual friends on Facebook that have been in the business for many years and he's also got selling rights on some of the established auction groups.
My 2 cents to the OP, I think in this hobby the customer would want to QT the fish themselves or perhaps the store can hold onto the fish for a few weeks if theres room to be sure it doesn't die from the poison used to catch said fishs. I personally love each fish i have and named some of them, I bought a dog from a breeder once and pay all his vet bills,,so to me they're both pets.

Thanks for the shout out my friend.. i love this hobby thats why i have put so much into my store to make it look and feel presentable for my customers... i could of very well slapped some paint on the walls and threw some tanks and began sellinglive stock.. but if i felt that way about this hobby i would of just opened a frozen fish market and took less losses..

 

[theMeat]

I personally know several of the owners from the top suppliers and can say without ANY reservation that they would NEVER tolerate either of these methods. In fact, they zealously guard their reefs. It puts food on their table and the tables of hundreds of families.

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Yeah, Google is your friend. There's also thousands of articles on blast and cyanide fishing. In poor places? Hungry ppl are thinking about what will feed them today, not the future of the reef. I know the guy who owns and runs prob the biggest wholesale place in NY. He could care less, he only sees dollar signs. Reef to retail is a dirty biz that spans the world, and there's no way to know what goes on everywhere.Sure things are getting better but....
And don't get me wrong, I love the hobby, and support it with every purchase

 

[afernandez]

Before you say this store is better than this one or this one or this one has better practices than another.... Have you actually seen them in action?

Clarifying my statements :

Have you seen their acclimation procedures?
Have you seen their actuall equipment? ( Uv-filtration-maintenance schedules)
Medication schedule?
Have you taken the time to speak to the owners?
Hospital tank-tanks?

I think you guys need to take a peek and pick brains .

I dare you guys to take a look ... I bet this thread will change directions really quickly .

 

[b-ridge]

I am also surprised more vendors haven't posted there opinion on this topic. With all the views this has received already I'm sure more than 2 vendors have read this. Are they just sitting back collecting notes? Are they posting under different screen names? I wanna hear what the lfs/vendors think

 

[theMeat]

Yup, I'm sure vendors are checking it out, pretty obvious why they would choose not to post.