What's your Opinion about charging extra..for Qt fish? ....

[piranhapat]

Not here to mention any LFS store names. What's your opinion? If a LFS has excellent idea about Qt and having a Hospital station in they store. But will charge you for services. I think it's in the right mind set. But paying extra seems to be a catch. We know you can't guarantee every fish with volume of fish coming or going. But it's the best interest to sell the most healthly fish if possible. So would you paid for the extra service or you should expect your LFS at least acclimated them and they are eating. Let's face it we all need to do the right thing for hobby.

 

[marrone]

Everyone should QT all their fish, as you can never truly be sure if the fish that you're buying has something or not, even from the best places, and don't forget that fish are coming in all the time so a fish can easily be infected and you would never know until much later. And you also have a lot of people buying fish as soon as they come in, and who knows what the fish may have.

Now QT yourself isn't free, it cost for the setup, the water, medication, and test kits to treat the fish. Also some people don't have the space for a QT system or don't have the know how to treat fish either. For some people it's well worth paying more to have some else QT and treat their fish before they buy them, while others would rather buy a fish for cheaper and don't have a problem taking a chance if the fish does have something, as that can treat it themselves.

 

[Pop Corals]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread. Most LFS including ourselves do treat the systems with medication. You should always ask or assume that they do and check the salinity as most also run lower salinity. It is good practice to both drip the fish and not use the stores water. We always remind our customers of this. So while a store will try their best to offer healthy eating fish this is hard to do in a standard retail environment. This is why we are trying to offer additional quarantine services to target medicate, observe and acclimate fish for those that aren't able to QT themselves. Whether or not a customer opts for this is completely up to them. It is kind of like Live Aquaria vs Divers Den or buying an extended warranty on a vehicle. The choice is yours. So in summary obviously we care immensely both about our livestock and our customers. That is why we have been working closely with the manufacturers of these medications to dial in our systems and treat everything as best as possible prior to purchase (with or without additional QT services). We do treat our fish, we don't charge extra for this but in a retail environment it is just not possible to fully QT and that is why we have setup systems specifically for this. FYI we do often treat certain fish prior to moving them up into the store and as different fish have different needs in regards to treatment and react differently to certain medications this is why we do this. We also have open at least 10-15 different types of food at any one time to make sure the fish get variety and are finding something they will eat as soon as possible. We are more than happy to feed fish in front of our customers and answer any questions such as how long it has been here or relay any possible care related information as we want our fish to be healthy and happy in a loving aquarium environment.

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[AXsignaturecorals]

Every LFS who loves this hobby should take all precautions in having helthy livestock. It shouldn't be an optional.. we are dealing with live animals.. so charging extra for QT is ridiculous just as ridiculous as selling fish right out of the box. A lot of places have lost reapect for the hobby or never had it to begin with.. my advice is invest in your systems.. make sure they are equipped to hold and keep livestock alive and helthy.. if that means marking up your product so be it.. at least customer will be buying healthy fish.. (whats cheap cost more)

 

[WTBClownfish]

It is an option. If you want to use it use it if not don't use it. It is impossible to satisfy everyone. The people who are saying that stores should do this for all fish are the same people who will say you can never trust a LFS to qt fish.

Every LFS who loves this hobby should take all precautions in having helthy livestock. It shouldn't be an optional.. we are dealing with live animals.. so charging extra for QT is ridiculous just as ridiculous as selling fish right out of the box. A lot of places have lost reapect for the hobby or never had it to begin with.. my advice is invest in your systems.. make sure they are equipped to hold and keep livestock alive and helthy.. if that means marking up your product so be it.. at least customer will be buying healthy fish.. (whats cheap cost more)

What is your stores qt and medication process for coral and fish?

 

[piranhapat]

You need about 50 separated 10-15 gal tanks or bigger with its own Filter and heater system. Than what do you do when the fish is removed you change the water. Be pretty hard to control bio load of bacteria in a each system. Sounds good to beginners but the true hobbies knows better. Where's that bridge.....

 

[b-ridge]

That's why the charge extra for the qt. Need to pay for your own filter and heater and water. And 10-15 gallon. Salt. Food. Medication.
You didn't think the lfs was gonna buy all of that for you did you? That's why that $5 fish cost $200

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

Selling and keeping helthy fish isn't hard.. its
Being done all over the world... it is upto the LFS what direction
They want to take their business ... whether you are selling fish right out of the box or holding and meditating fish... both have its pros and cons

 

[piranhapat]

Ralph, I think you step up and spoke the truth. I also think catching a LFS when the fish are still in the oringnal bag. It's not a bad time to buy that fish. As long your know your taking a different kind of risk. Not knowing the condition of fish and if it's eating. But you have a chance of the fish surviving because the fish is not going to acclimate again in a different system. Pretty much pick your poison. But like Marrone said, if your going to buy fish it pays to have your own QT system. Everybody has an option these days.

 

[WTBClownfish]

Selling and keeping helthy fish isn't hard.. its
Being done all over the world... it is upto the LFS what direction
They want to take their business ... whether you are selling fish right out of the box or holding and meditating fish... both have its pros and cons

What is your stores qt and medication process for coral and fish?

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

What is your stores qt and medication process for coral and fish?

What i can tell you is there weren't any shortcuts when i put together my systems.. I dont believe in hypo salinity.. keep salinity 22.. reason being most hobbies dont have the aclimating experience that i do.. so to expect the normal hobbiest to acclimate a fish from a salinity of 15 is a disaster waiting to happen.. And i dont sell fish out of the box.. i might make an exception for an advanced hobbiest only.. i dont pay attention to the price wars between LFS!... Im not looking to have lines out side my doors because i have the lowest price... im looking to sell clean helthy fish that my customers will see eat from my hand before they purchase them..

 

[piranhapat]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread.


I never said a bad thing about your idea. So not understanding why you deleted my post. Just shows you what type of guy you really are. I was never at your store so I would never say anything bad about it. But did hear about your smoking. I liked your idea of setting up QT and Hospital tanks. Let the people have an option is good. I just feel if people don't have room to set up Qt that a LFS would do that for them at least hold the fish t'ill it's eating and no sign of disease. But to charge for it just doesn't sound proper think to get business. It just don't sound realistic.

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread.


I never said a bad thing about your idea. So not understanding why you deleted my post. Just shows you what type of guy you really are. I was never at your store so I would never say anything bad about it. But did hear about your smoking. I liked your idea of setting up QT and Hospital tanks. Let the people have an option is good. I just feel if people don't have room to set up Qt that a LFS would do that for them at least hold the fish t'ill it's eating and no sign of disease. But to charge for it just doesn't sound proper think to get business. It just don't sound realistic.

HUA?? Whats that about Pat?

 

[kres1024]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread.


I never said a bad thing about your idea. So not understanding why you deleted my post. Just shows you what type of guy you really are. I was never at your store so I would never say anything bad about it. But did hear about your smoking. I liked your idea of setting up QT and Hospital tanks. Let the people have an option is good. I just feel if people don't have room to set up Qt that a LFS would do that for them at least hold the fish t'ill it's eating and no sign of disease. But to charge for it just doesn't sound proper think to get business. It just don't sound realistic.

I'm sure that Most LFS will hold a fish till its eating and showing no sign of disease if you put a deposit and ask them ..but having an option of having them go the extra step and do the whole qt/treatment process for a extra fee for you is great to have ....also

 

[theMeat]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread.


I never said a bad thing about your idea. So not understanding why you deleted my post. Just shows you what type of guy you really are. I was never at your store so I would never say anything bad about it. But did hear about your smoking. I liked your idea of setting up QT and Hospital tanks. Let the people have an option is good. I just feel if people don't have room to set up Qt that a LFS would do that for them at least hold the fish t'ill it's eating and no sign of disease. But to charge for it just doesn't sound proper think to get business. It just don't sound realistic.

So which is it...a good idea, or not proper? lol You won't say anything, but you heard about smoking? Too funny. It's one or the other. Trying to sound smart or diplomatic doesn't change the intent of a message, only it's delivery. This is a troll thread and should be deleted.

 

[Pop Corals]

I think that you were missing the point in our thread.


I never said a bad thing about your idea. So not understanding why you deleted my post. Just shows you what type of guy you really are. I was never at your store so I would never say anything bad about it. But did hear about your smoking. I liked your idea of setting up QT and Hospital tanks. Let the people have an option is good. I just feel if people don't have room to set up Qt that a LFS would do that for them at least hold the fish t'ill it's eating and no sign of disease. But to charge for it just doesn't sound proper think to get business. It just don't sound realistic.

I never deleted your posts if you notice they were deleted by a moderator because evidently you were repping another LFS. Like stated we certainly welcome all feedback and suggestions as we strive to grow and improve.

We often hold fish for customers and will gladly feed it for a customer. You mentioned "I remember going to LFS and seeing the same fish for a few weeks knowing that the fish is eating and no out breaks. Today it's rare you see a fish you like and the next time you go LFS it's gone." That is often the case that fish do not sit in the store for weeks as people wish to purchase them.

We do inspect and medicate our fish. We are equipped with QT's which we utilize as well as hospital systems. Not every fish can handle the same medication and not every fish goes unsold for weeks plus with new fish coming in and out even if it was doesn't mean that something isn't possibly introduced. That is why even though we take every precaution and necessary steps to prevent this in our main systems we still think some people may benefit from and take advantage of our offer to separately QT and acclimate the fish to their specifications.

Btw no hard feelings I understand your points and are valid. Just want to keep this a healthy discussion as I think the subject of QT is important for this hobby. After the fish is collected it is often held before being sold to overseas brokers then held again before being shipped all the way here. Then it either goes to another wholesaler or as most often the case here in NYC (because everyone buys off the same suppliers) direct to the store. So introducing protocol methods to condition the fish to the best possible outcome is in everyones best interest.

 

[marrone]

But like Marrone said, if your going to buy fish it pays to have your own QT system. .

Actually I say you should QT all your fish, I also said that it's not free to do so, even if you do it yourself. There are costs involved, not to mention you need to know how to do it and how and what to use when treating the fish. A lot of people also don't have the space to do it or have a QT running or ready, so someone offering this type of service is a very good thing, and I would expect people to pay more for this type of service. Now, does it mean that their fish aren't health to begin with? No it doesn't, the fish can be very health, but you still would want to QT them before placing them into you MT and taking the chance that they may have something.

 

[fritz]

Everyone should QT all their fish, as you can never truly be sure if the fish that you're buying has something or not, even from the best places, and don't forget that fish are coming in all the time so a fish can easily be infected and you would never know until much later. And you also have a lot of people buying fish as soon as they come in, and who knows what the fish may have.

Now QT yourself isn't free, it cost for the setup, the water, medication, and test kits to treat the fish. Also some people don't have the space for a QT system or don't have the know how to treat fish either. For some people it's well worth paying more to have some else QT and treat their fish before they buy them, while others would rather buy a fish for cheaper and don't have a problem taking a chance if the fish does have something, as that can treat it themselves.

+1 :thrash:

 

[AXsignaturecorals]

Sorry.. i didnt know this post was directed at someone in particular.. my comments are general and my opinions.. not direct at you

 

[piranhapat]

So which is it...a good idea, or not proper? lol You won't say anything, but you heard about smoking? Too funny. It's one or the other. Trying to sound smart or diplomatic doesn't change the intent of a message, only it's delivery. This is a troll thread and should be deleted.

Sorry themeat you sound like a novices:letitallo