WTF happened with MR

[Awibrandy]

Some people are interpreting this totally wrong. The main concerns were not about "boring" topics or anythig like that. It was about stressing the fact to give good and great advice due to experience. It is also to stop with the petty arguments and price comparisons. A newbie should ask as many questions as they want, but the people answering should really know what they are talking about before answering. Someone new to this hobby will try what one person tells them, without really knowing why they have to do it that way. Next thing you know, thhey have even more problems, because they were confused with all the different answers they received. When i first started, and til this day, I still ask lots of questions. I also make sure I understand the answers that are given to me, so that I know what I need to be observing. Theres no need for the newbies to take offense to this thread because they were askin questions, that's not what this was about. Pauli quoted the important part of my thread. Read that over and over again and you will see exactly what I was trying to accomplish. And all those stealing my "I'm done" line..... I hate you all!! Hahahahaa!! I'm jp.. That 'line' is from Sammy from Jersey Shore. So imagine that line with her accent and I know you will end up laughing before reading this.

Thank you for this post Del. I wasn't going to add anything to this thread until I read the above post.:approve:
I for one, when I go into a thread that I find uninteresting, or down right dumb I leave.
I recall a few years back I posted a thread requesting "personal experience, not what you have read, or heard". I got a lot of good answers that were helpful, yet there was one post that to this day still sticks in my memory banks that went something like: (I prefer to get my info from reading, not peoples experience........) I did feel that the response was meant as a little insult, but I took it with a grain of "salt", and kept on moving.LOL
I don't usually take the bait that trouble makers put out, not worth the time or energy.
Ever heard the saying: "Do not throw your pearls at swines".
Also, my dear old mother-inlaw taught me to never reduce myself to stupid people's status.

Disclaimer: The above is not meant as an insult to anyone!!!!!!!!:grouphug:

 

[shark32]

I for one, when I go into a thread that I find uninteresting, or down right dumb I leave.

Couldn't have said it better myself....

 

[duke62]

my comment wasnt pointing fingers at anyone so dont take it as that.ive been on here for quite sometime and it is meant for the other 1000 salt posts.believe me i dont read any thread where i know what the outcome will be.when was the last time a thread that intrigued us all all had 5 or more pages of posts with serious discussions happened on here with over 2000 views.alot of you newer guys havent expierenced some great threads.and all im saying type in macro algae before you decide to write a post on which macro algae is the best to use.the search engine can answer your questions a hell of alot quicker then waiting for a response

 

[jerl77]

I think mr got to big know 2 years ago this was a great place its still great nut no the same jmo

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[tosiek]

I think you all need to stop posting and viewing this thread because your all just adding to the forum drama. There are plenty of posts and threads here that could use the energy your wasting here arguing and talking about how everything is going to crap with the way people post when your all doing the same thing your all complaining about.

 

[MatthewScars]

I don't understand why this site even has a search bar. (j/k ... even though it is not used very often, CLEARLY)

This is the main reason this forum is annoying and becoming useless. Noone looks for any information themselves. And I will post www.lmgtfy.com replies until you ban me. People have to learn not to be so lazy and do a little research before asking the SAME questions like the poll yesterday 'WHAT SALT DO YOU USE?' Who cares? Search this forum or RC and you'll fine massive amounts of answers/same poll. Or 'WHAT SKIMMER SHOULD I USE?' A) Noone cares B) this question has been answered on google 57 times for your exact situation.

So search before you post and make yourself look like an idiot.

 

[prattreef]

Why have a forum at all? You can do a Google search to answer any question. The difference is in the attempt to interact with people around the possible and varied answers. Snarky responses just cut off discussion, not promote or elevate them.

If members want more in-depth discussion, they need to post more in-depth questions or links to things. When was the last time any of you posted a question ( or even read) about an article in our very fine magazine or blog? Many of the authors frequent the site-- far more of them and more frequently than most other forums. Few members seek out their assistance. Why? I have no clue.

One thing I do agree with is that the irrelevant chatter and meaningless banter that litters often well meaning threads is distracting and unfortunate.

 

[MatthewScars]

Why have a forum at all? You can do a Google search to answer any question. The difference is in the attempt to interact with people around the possible and varied answers. Snarky responses just cut off discussion, not promote or elevate them.

Obviously you understood my point and ignored it. But, just in case, I meant the people posting threads that have been answered more than 50 times. 'What skimmer do I use?!' 'is this ICH?' 'what fish should i buy!?' They should research first, then ask more well thought out, precise, and relevant questions. We should encourage this type of behavior for people to be more self reliant to find answers. Between RC/MR and google, 95% of everything has already been answered.

No one has an issue with an interesting topic, just a redundant one.

 

[ryangrieder]

MR needs it's own drama TV series...

 

[jerl77]

Ya and you and triggerman canbe the host lmfao

MR needs it's own drama TV series...

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[ryangrieder]

Ya and you and triggerman canbe the host lmfao



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Where do I sign?

 

[jaa1456]

The funniest thing about this thread, if I would have started it, it would have been deleted after my OP.

 

[Imbarrie]

What about a Frequently Asked Questions section?

That way any question that is asked on a frequent basis can be posted there with links to relevant posts.

I agree the search feature is not utilized as much as it should by a lot of people.
However, I did use it when I joined, along with Google and a lot of common sense.

 

[greg 45]

What Is WTF
shouldent this thred be closed
sorry del
there could be small children interpeting that wrong

 

[DEL]

Greg. It means where's the food? Jp. Guys. Everyone is still going about this in the wrong way. There is only 1 main point I tried to make. It's simple. And it's NoT to offend the newbies, but to help them. Remember, we were all newbies at some point. Here it is. " if you are not 100% sure of your answer, then please don't post it, because if it turns out you are wrong, then someone will call you out on being wrong, which in turn leads to the back and forth arguing".

 

[Josh]

Two comments.

Which salt is best? There is no indication that ANY salt is better than any other salt. If you happen to meet any of the representatives from the major salt manufacturers, you'll quickly find them to be EXTREMELY ARGUMENTATIVE about their product. They are very opinionated and take offense to just about any comment regarding their product. The gist of it is that no one has ever done a comprehensive and definitive comparison of the different salt blends, and since this is a big unanswered question in our hobby which clearly affects every one of us, the question comes up all the time. I don't even notice these threads anymore, but I don't let them bother me.

As far as expert topics, you can't complain about beginners asking their questions. We were all there at one point. If you don't start your own threads about more advanced methods then you can't really complain about the sheer number of these posts. If people are providing bad information on these threads, correct them. It's that simple. If you just sit there and let it happen it will never end.

 

[Josh]

What about a Frequently Asked Questions section?

That way any question that is asked on a frequent basis can be posted there with links to relevant posts.

What about the Reefipedia?

 

[albano]

" if you are not 100% sure of your answer, then please don't post it, because if it turns out you are wrong, then someone will call you out on being wrong, which in turn leads to the back and forth arguing".

I'd bet that most people ARE 100% sure that their WRONG answer, is right! That's why they are ready to argue about it!



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[howze01]

Greg. It means where's the food? Jp. Guys. Everyone is still going about this in the wrong way. There is only 1 main point I tried to make. It's simple. And it's NoT to offend the newbies, but to help them. Remember, we were all newbies at some point. Here it is. " if you are not 100% sure of your answer, then please don't post it, because if it turns out you are wrong, then someone will call you out on being wrong, which in turn leads to the back and forth arguing".

Here's the problem with that. Nothing is ever 100% in this hobby. I have seen people do things that would make your (and my) hair curl. People do things that you would never consider doing. I'm going to use Paul B. as an example and I'm sure he won't mind. He has an undergravel filter running on his 40 year old tank. Now, if someone set up a tank today and I told them, "Sure, go ahead and use an UG filter, they work just fine." People would jump all over me and tell me I'm an idiot. Yet, you have Paul's example of how they can, in fact, work and work very well if used properly. The way I see a forum like this is just how I see my job. I learned to be a Land Surveyor from my father, my 2 older brothers and many other people I have met over the years in my profession. Some of them couldn't survey a phone booth but still had interesting ideas of how to make things easier or better. I took everything I learned from these people, good and bad, and developed what works best for me. I think that's what everyone should do in this hobby as well. Just because someone gives what you, or someone else, considers bad info doesn't make their info any less valuable. Information, good or bad, is still valuable information that should be discussed. It wasn't all that long ago that people were crtisized for saying the Earth isn't flat or the Earth isn't the center of the universe.
Now, my example above about UG filters is obviously hypothetical and I wouldn't recommend an UG filter to someone. We have all seen posts that just make us shake our heads and groan. Things that are just obviously wrong. I think that the people that posted them should be told so but there are good and bad ways to go about it. Discussion always works better than confrontation. Like Del (I think) said, we were all newbs at one time (and I believe we all always are, there are always new things to learn in this hobby) and no one knows everything.


OK, end rant.

 

[xboxking58]

It's definitely the mods who are the problem. I think the admin should get rid of all of them except for albano just for a month and see how tremendously better the site will be. They seem to inter fear with everything and not let anyone have any fun. Now knowing them this will probably get deleted and me get banned and the thread closed but I think we should practice our right for freedom of speech and stop having them get rid of everything THEY don't like. It's ridiculous and I hope many of you agree because so far the 20+ people I met say how bad the mods are and many more things I will not mention but most are afraid to say it online for fear of getting banned. Now I know I have not been a member for long but I am on this website all the time and I can definitely see how bad the mods have gotten. So if anyone bothers to read this I hope we can do something about it. Maybe even vote on mods instead of being dictated by the ones we already have.