beaslbob":1c95rv27 said:
vitz":1c95rv27 said:
beaslbob":1c95rv27 said:
The only time I have used salt was on a white cottony fungas on mollys. It did cure the fungas in a few hours, but then mollys are a fresh and saltwater fish. So I kept them in a brackish system.
are you recommending salt? because it will destroy his plants
nope.
The safest thing to do is just to keep fish out of the tank for three weeks. To allow any ich to die off.
didn't you recommend he immediately add a platy? now you recommend he remove it? where to?
That was the safest thing. Not the only thing
that said, the only safe assumption is that there will always be at least a single ich present in any tank. the fish in the tank just have to be immune to that.
that is a patently false statement
so would suggest a safer assumption. Or a better way to handle ich?
4 fish in a 50g should not have been too much bioload.
if there were no ammonia eating bacteria present, and there was a spike, you were wrong(which could very well have happened even with one fish, let alone 4-at the best-you have absolutely no way of knowing
I trust the reader of this statement can judge for themselves.
a direct question to vitz:
Are you stating that the plant life does not consume ammonia directly?
It is my position and experience that it does an prevents the nitrogen cycle regardless of aerobic bacteria present.
My concern is the presence of the two redtail sharks. I think they simply were stressed trying to fighure out where their territories were. Hence the ich on one.
And stressed out the plattys as well.
why would the shark stress out the platy? :roll:
Because a peaceful non territorial toothless fish like a platty has little defense against an toothed agressive highly territorial fish like a redtail shark.
So give it a little time. reintroduce the plattys. Without the sharks they should do better.
ozboy, my responses to beaslebob's o so as usuall highly incorrect and misleading misinformation are hi-lighted in boldface type.
Look, what happened is he introduced the sharks along with the plattys. My recomendation is for 1 fish and specifically peaceful live bearers. but highly territorial toothed agressive fish like the sharks should have been either 1 or 5 not anything in between. With two the stronger beatup on the weaker and the tank did not have enough plant life to provide cover and break up the tank so each could have it's own territory.
So now he is down to one shark, one platty and is adding more plants. I wish it way just the platty but this combination should do much better.
I trust the reader of this statement can judge for themselves.
nice cop out, as usual, your backpedaling and avoiding a comittal to an actual answer simply digusts me, and fill me with nothing but contempt for your irresponsibility to the consequences of your half understood conceptions as to how things really work, and how they affect others who accept your 'advice' as if taken from a knowledgeable source.
i would highly suggest you first understand the concepts and explanations fully yourself, before attempting to explain how to do things to others-if you were an employee of mine in a pet store, you would have been fired within 2 days for your gross irresponsibility to customers with your 1/2 baked advice and explanations
a direct question to vitz:
Are you stating that the plant life does not consume ammonia directly?
i've said no such thing-you still cannot know the production rate or the uptake rate as definite numerical values, and there was a defnite risk that the former could exceed the latter-using a handful of aquariums that you'
ve taken care of or setup, with NO quantifiable testing, as stated by yourself, does not constitute a viable knowledge base with which to form a valid opininion for generalization
i've 'bent the rules' on my own setups many times, it doesn't mean it's something i recommend to do- especially to beginners :idea:
i've stated many times on this board that plants prefer ther nitrogen directly as ammonia-i believe you've had to have this explain to you here on this BB, iirc
if temp is kept at 86° for 4 weeks in any FW tank-all of the ich will be killed-period, end of discussion
if ozboy had setup the tank as recommended with a filter, heater, and followed PROPER stocking setup procedure-none of this would have happened, most likely-any fair beginners book has all of the info necessary
i've never added fish to a tank untill all of the filtration (whether it be by machine, or plants), and temperature issues have FIRST been ESTABLISHED-adding ammonia producers before knowing that the ammonia will be metabolised properly is far more likely the source of stress that predisposes any fish to ich, rather than the mere presence of a redtail shark, which has little to no stress on a platy :roll:
you're mentioning of the teeth issue is ludicrous-platys have teeth, you moron-it's a member of the 'live bearing tooth carp' family :lol:
it probably has more teeth to lip ratio than the shark :lol:
