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i'LL stick to Manhattan... better mileage on your diNero... but that's juSs mE
bad coffee said:Jonathan, there was (is?) a 4 floor brownstone around the corner from my place for $790K that needs a gut reno. Dump another half mil in the place and you have a place worth about $2mil. In the ghetto of course.
Anyone call dibbs on the place you're in now?
B
hermangareis said:Buying one place in the city for half a mil to one mil will get you a studio or a crackerbox apartment. Keeping up with payments is tough.
Crakeur lost his password said:don't buy now. the real estate market in NYC dropped 13% in the third quarter. The huge influx of new real estate brokers and the increase in the number of people speculating on real estate in the area and rising interest rates are all signs of a downward trend.
1. the influx of brokers is much like the mass exodus of workers into the stock market field. when a large portion of the general public jumps into something, it's usually a bad sign.
2. the increasing number of buyers who are speculating - see above. morons jumping on the bandwagon hoping to not miss a boat that is on the last leg of its voyage. panic buying is often worse than panic selling.
3. increasing rates. as mortgage rates go up, the value of real estate comes down. as it becomes harder for people to get mortgages on high priced properties, new and interesting ways to borrow seem to pop up in the market place. these loans are dangerous and can be deadly in the real estate market. I read somewhere that something like 4% of all loans used to be unconvenional loans (mainly ARMS). now it is something like 30 or 40%, possible higher and the loans are not only ARMS but oddballs like pay what you want loans, with the unpaid monthly portion added to the balance on the mortgage.
when the market drops 13% on you, and you paid 10% down, you will have a house with a mortgage on it that is larger than the value. now, let's say the rates on your mortgage go up and you cannot afford to make your payments anymore. so you say "let's sell it before we go broke"
great, selling it will cost you money.
the only way you should be buying now is if you are planning on being in the home for a long time, so you can ride out the inevitable downturn in the market (real estate is cyclical and does drop in value). It would also be wise to figure out every worse case scenario cost on the mortgage, if you are planning any of the crazy options out there. In other words, can you afford that $300,000 mortgage at 7%? 8% etc.
JoshSaul said:Well, the good lawyer thing has already been mentioned, I have one if yours doesn't work out.
You may want to look at co-ops or cond-ops since the price will be lower than a condo. Always find out how financially stable the building is, or your maintenance fees will go up every year.
Don't go by listings in the paper or fliers from real estate agencies, they are never for real and never available. The best listings will come with repeated dates with a full blown realtor that can show you everything that is not listed.
Make sure you visit the new place a few different times before buying. You want to know how loud it is at night and during the day, also keep an eye on the street traffic and general pedestrian issues. Sometimes apartments get sold an hour after they are listed. Don't get too upset if this happens, you need to be ready to act quick, but not too quick.
If you have a day job, I recommend finding a place with a 24-7 doorman. It is a night/day kind of thing for me, I wouldn't be able to function without my doorman there to sign for packages, accept the laundry, allow workers and cleaning people into the place, etc.
Also, you may want to think about the current real estate market before making any moves. It has softened a bit and people seem to be expected a pullback in prices. This could be a good time to get in, or a good time to sell and start renting again, no one knows.
Aside from my current kitchen remodeling woes, buying an apartment was the hardest personal project I have ever done.
Lots of stuff to think about, good luck!
pmui said:my 2 pieces of adices is:
-if you can muster the 20% down payment you'll save in the long run. The w/o paying the mortgage insurance (PMI).
-perform any work in the place before moving in (ie: flooring ,sanding, kitchen/bath renov.) these are a PITA when you're living in the space.
Good luck.
Peter
marrone said:Josh hit on some good point about getting a building with 24 hour doorman as not only is it great for delivery but the safety issues also are important and because of having a 24 hour doorman you'll save on insurance.
You want to make sure that you read the board minutes as in them you'll find out about the building finances and what capital improvements and repair work that the building may have coming up. This is some thing that your lawyer should do as well as checking out the building financial statements.
Also don't get caught up on one place because alot of times things fall though and you get stuck trying to get that place and it just turns out it's never going to happen. Always keep looking until the deal is completely.
It is a long draw out process that can take months and is very frusting.
Michael
Crakeur lost his password said:don't buy now. the real estate market in NYC dropped 13% in the third quarter. The huge influx of new real estate brokers and the increase in the number of people speculating on real estate in the area and rising interest rates are all signs of a downward trend.
1. the influx of brokers is much like the mass exodus of workers into the stock market field. when a large portion of the general public jumps into something, it's usually a bad sign.
2. the increasing number of buyers who are speculating - see above. morons jumping on the bandwagon hoping to not miss a boat that is on the last leg of its voyage. panic buying is often worse than panic selling.
3. increasing rates. as mortgage rates go up, the value of real estate comes down. as it becomes harder for people to get mortgages on high priced properties, new and interesting ways to borrow seem to pop up in the market place. these loans are dangerous and can be deadly in the real estate market. I read somewhere that something like 4% of all loans used to be unconvenional loans (mainly ARMS). now it is something like 30 or 40%, possible higher and the loans are not only ARMS but oddballs like pay what you want loans, with the unpaid monthly portion added to the balance on the mortgage.
when the market drops 13% on you, and you paid 10% down, you will have a house with a mortgage on it that is larger than the value. now, let's say the rates on your mortgage go up and you cannot afford to make your payments anymore. so you say "let's sell it before we go broke"
great, selling it will cost you money.
the only way you should be buying now is if you are planning on being in the home for a long time, so you can ride out the inevitable downturn in the market (real estate is cyclical and does drop in value). It would also be wise to figure out every worse case scenario cost on the mortgage, if you are planning any of the crazy options out there. In other words, can you afford that $300,000 mortgage at 7%? 8% etc.
solbby said:Fantasic advice Crakeur!
Get a fixed rate mortgage. Rates are going up in the next year, IMO. The low yields on mortgage rates have already been seen, it only up from here, especially with the fed raising rates and inflation picking up in a big way. Did you see the most current CPI and PPI, , and that's the governments BS data!