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SPSluva

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Here is a review I wrote up after running the skimmer for a week:

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This may be a tad premature as the skimmer has only been running for a week now but I will give a little review of what I think of it. My intentions from the beginning in regards to evaluating this skimmer and posting about it was to keep everything factual. I know so many people out there will post that a certain skimmer is so good just because they own one, they have spent the money on it, their friend owns one, a friend of a friend of a neighbor of a delivery man said something good about one, they read other posts about one but have never seen or used one, etc. I just wanted to give an honest factual review about this skimmer.

One thing I was concerned about when deciding whether or not to get the BK was that everybody that owned one had such amazing things to say about it. This is a very expensive skimmer so it was hard to tell if all of those people were just talking it up because they needed to justify the money they spent on it or if it truly was as amazing as they said.

Now that I have used this skimmer I can honestly say it is every bit as amazing as other people say it is. Is there something "magical" about it? I don't know but I have never seen anything perform like this and never really imagined a skimmer could perform like this on my tank.

BUBBLES:
The bubbles are literally smaller than I ever imagined could be produced by a NW. If they were any smaller they would be microbubbles and would not rise to the top of the skimmer.

RD:
The pump is very powerful and dead silent. It is hard to believe that such a powerful pump can be so silent. The silencer on the air intake is also dead silent. Even when I ran a 2 foot long carbon and floss filter on my MR-6 beckett injectors, the incoming air could still be heard, but not with the BK.

WORKMANSHIP:
The workmanship on this skimmer is truly second to none. Everything on the skimmer is completely flawless. All connections are beefed up with PVC welds where needed to add that extra strength.

THE GOOD:
The bubble size and density is amazing. With the nozzle removed from the RD, the chamber is white with bubbles. All of the bubbles are very fine. So far the skimmer has been super consistent. It seems to be pretty much set it and forget it. I haven't had any overflows or skimmate going from dry to wet at different times of the day, although I have heard reports from other BK owners that theirs has overflowed from time to time. The production from day to day seems to stay the same, regardless of how much skimmate has formed on the riser tube. I think this may have something to do with the massive amount of air that is pushing that skimmate up the riser tube. The skimmate quality is also awesome. I have had this skimmer produce dry chunky skimmate and right now it is producing a fairly moist skimmate that is very dirty but is producing a lot of it. I have never had another skimmer that you can fine tune the skimmate so much. With most of the other skimmers I've used you can set it for either wet or dry and not usually much in between. The BK can be set for any "wetness" of skimmate imaginable.

COMPLAINTS:
The complaints I have are small and probably not even worth mentioning. But since I want to keep this an honest review, I am including them. First and foremost, the biggest problem with this skimmer is that the bubble plate cannot be removed to clean the are underneath it. And this are DOES collect detritus. Another complaint is that the drain tube for the collection cup is very short. You pretty much have to take your cup that you drain the skimmat into and hold it right next to the cup while you drain the skimmate, which is kind of tedious. If the tube was longer, you could just set your cup next to the sump and stick the tube into and not have to hold the cup in an uncomfortable positon while filling it. It also gets more and more "uncomfortable" as you cup gets fuller and heavier. I feel that there should be a ball valve on the drain tube instead of a plug. On the outlet of the ball valve you should be able to add an extension to the tubing for draining. This way, when you need to unscrew the collection cup for cleaning, you just take that extension off and the tubing won't get in the way.

My last complaint is about the pump performance and this only pertains to the internal models. I was told that you get the same air input into the skimmer regardless of how you have the nozzle tuned on the pump. This was a major selling point on the internal vs. external for me because I figured you could control how much water was going through the skimmer (somewhat similar to a recirculating skimmer) while still pushing the same amount of air through it. But it seems that the full potential of air intake is not acheieved unless the nozzle is completely removed from the pump. However, I do not have an air flow meter to verify that there is any difference in air intake. It could be that the increase in water intake is creating more turbulence in the skimmer, which makes it appear that more air is taken in as the bubbles are being pushed all over the place. I would really like to get an air flow meter to check this. But right now, it seems that you can only maximize the skimmer's performance by removing the nozzle, which also pumps more water through the skimmer and decreases dwell time. However, for my application I do like the nozzle removed so I can push more water through the skimmer anyways. This allows me to process more water at a time and remove more solids from the system rather than having them settle out in the sump. But the trade-off could be that the reduced contact time is not allowing the more stubborn proteins that need a 120 second contact time to be removed.



I think that is pretty much it. I truly am amazed at the performance of this skimmer. Is it worth the price? That is hard to say. I guess that really boils down to a person's personal opinion.
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And here are some new comments:

The BK continues to be a solid skimmer. Easy to adjust to any type of skimmate I want. Although I can no longer get it to skim dry but I think it is because there are no longer enough nutrients in the water. I have been running it very wet for quite some time. Wet to the point where I do not get foam, just water droplets that collect, yet the skimmate is still a fairly dark color, not the light tea that you usually see from wet skimming. I am skimming about 1 gallon per day.

I have found that the skimmer does still skim best with the nozzle either removed or uscrewed almost all the way. Heinz was over at Klaus's and said they hooked up an air pump and watt meter and found that when the nozzle is removed, the RD sucks up twice as much electricity and half as much air. So it is only an illusion in the skimmer body that there is more air going into the skimmer with the nozzle removed. I now run my nozzle unscrewed almost all the way.

Cleaning the bottom of the skimmer is a nuisance but not impossible. Once per month I use a turkey baster with soft tubing attached to blow out the detritus from the bottom while the skimmer is running.

I have encountered another minor issue. That is the silencer. After a couple months, the silencer got filled with debris from the air and began to restrict the air intake. The silencer is glued together so you cannot take it apart to clean it or swap out the filter floss. I ran some RO water through it and it was working like new instantly without even letting it dry. But I wonder just how many times can dirt build up and then RO water run through it before it needs to be replaced.
 

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SPSluva said:
I was told that you get the same air input into the skimmer regardless of how you have the nozzle tuned on the pump. .
thats why i asked Klaus to show me if that is in fact the case, and as i have posted on another board already, you can tune the nozzle and it will not change the airintake, airintake will stay between 2200-2500,

Travis, i can see that you do not believe what i have tested with Klaus together, i have no problem with that, but please get yourself an airmeter so you can see it for yourself,

what ever you do dont remove the nozzle it will lower your BK's performence trasticly
 

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almost forgot, the silencer and the filter floss, the air does NOT go trou the filter floss, as you can see in this picture,
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as you can see, the filter floss is only on the outside, just to take the noise away, but no air will ever go throu it, therefor the filter floss can't plug up it has no funktion in the silencer beside silence the noise,
 

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Heinz said:
thats why i asked Klaus to show me if that is in fact the case, and as i have posted on another board already, you can tune the nozzle and it will not change the airintake, airintake will stay between 2200-2500,

Travis, i can see that you do not believe what i have tested with Klaus together, i have no problem with that, but please get yourself an airmeter so you can see it for yourself,

what ever you do dont remove the nozzle it will lower your BK's performence trasticly

Hi Heinz,
I do believe your tests with Klaus, which is why I posted this at the end of that post::wink1:
Heinz was over at Klaus's and said they hooked up an air pump and watt meter and found that when the nozzle is removed, the RD sucks up twice as much electricity and half as much air. So it is only an illusion in the skimmer body that there is more air going into the skimmer with the nozzle removed. I now run my nozzle unscrewed almost all the way.

The part about doubting the air intake claims was the part I copied from only 1 week after running the skimmer.

As for the silencer, I do see that the majority of the air does not need to go through the floss. But I bet some of the air does still travel throught it, even if it is only a small percentage of the total airflow. I'm not sure what was restricted on mine but something WAS restricted and it was inside the silencer.
 

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Heinz said:
this BK can't perform, if you want it to perform, you first have to set it as it is recommendat by the manufacturer,

first you have to set both returns equel, and yes you need both, or they would not be there,

some of the new BK's come with just one return but the pipe is larger in diameter,

then the one pipe you are using right now for return is to low, you need to rise the "T" and open up the wedge pipe,
Heinz welcome.

MR is a little different from RC or Zeovit in that many of us have met and visited each others homes. A lot of us have seen cali's setup including myself and the bk looks good, it has some great looking fine bubbles and is pulling skimmate. It just that the barr is pulling darker and more skimmate that it and a deltec. I don't think Cali bought this expensive skimmer to make it fail as you have insinuated, the situation just is what it is.
 

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kimoyo said:
I don't think Cali bought this expensive skimmer to make it fail as you have insinuated, .


what makes you think that?

i never posted anything like that,

jackson posted a link to this thread on RC, thats how i found this thread, after reading trou it i found those pictures of the BK300, it shows a BK that is not adjusted right and not even close to its potential, and i wanted to point this out,

i can't force you to set the skimmer up right,
 

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Heinz said:
jackson posted a link to this thread on RC, thats how i found this thread, after reading trou it i found those pictures of the BK300, it shows a BK that is not adjusted right and not even close to its potential, and i wanted to point this out,

i can't force you to set the skimmer up right,
Heinz, what potential are you talking about? It seems that whenever a BK doesn't perform better than another skimmer people have said its wasn't set it up correctly and basically the users fault. Firstly Cali said he corrected that small thing but even if he hadn't, how would that affect anything when he's only running around 500gph thru it? And exactly how close should they be to get it to work properly, are we talking inches or centimeters or hundreds of an inch or centimeters? The BK doesn't have that many different options and it isn't terribly complicated to understand. And what if you want to run the skimmer with a little bit backpressure to run wet, can you do that or will it not reach its 'potential'?

Futhermore, the bubbles are there and look fine but another skimmer is just doing a better job. Do you have a barr beckett hooked up to your tank along with your BK?
 
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Guys, when someone comes to my place and gives me a bit of advice on how to set up my system more efficiently, I happily accept. Do I have to follow the advice? No. That is a choice you make.

Does this really need to turn into a pissing contest between skimmers. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

This is supposed to be an informative skimmer thread for people to enjoy. Lets keep it that way.
 

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cali_reef said:
Herman,
What would you do when people go to your house and say you don't know what you are doing?

Alot of times I dont. :D :beer: But if they talk sh** they better help me do it right!

I do understand what you are saying tho. Was not aware of the past issues.
 
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Great thread guys! I found this thread on RC this morning and have avidly read the whole thing. Great, great stuff.

Some of you guys are curious about a place to get the DAS skimmers. A friend of mine used to work for DAS here in TX (long story behind it, they owe him bigtime) and he now reps their products (among several other brands). If anyone is interested, shoot me an email (nellio1 AT lsu DOT edu) and I'd be happy to pass along his info. I'm not trying to spam up the board, if any mods have a problem please let me know and I'll edit this post.

He's been trying to sell me on the DAS skimmers for around a year now. I think that once my new system goes up I'm going to bite on the EX2 :)

Again, this has been super, super informative. A big thanks to all the contributors!
 

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NathanSE said:
Great thread guys! I found this thread on RC this morning and have avidly read the whole thing. Great, great stuff.

Some of you guys are curious about a place to get the DAS skimmers. A friend of mine used to work for DAS here in TX (long story behind it, they owe him bigtime) and he now reps their products (among several other brands). If anyone is interested, shoot me an email (nellio1 AT lsu DOT edu) and I'd be happy to pass along his info. I'm not trying to spam up the board, if any mods have a problem please let me know and I'll edit this post.

He's been trying to sell me on the DAS skimmers for around a year now. I think that once my new system goes up I'm going to bite on the EX2 :)

Again, this has been super, super informative. A big thanks to all the contributors!

nathanse, welcome to manhattan reefs :)
I just ordered a EX-2 to run next to the elos NS-1000.
I ordered online from petorama.net and only received an oder confirmation, nothing about shipping yet. I payed for 2 day air shipping, if they got it right I should have the skimmer tomorrow.

I'll post some more observations of the NS-1000 in a little bit.
 

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