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[herman]

:lol: stop pee'ing in taNks herman :bigeyes2:

You may think that its a joke but its a one time thing and I am serious. Either piss in it or do what Spykes does - use ammonia.

Where the hell do we get the right to kill stuff for our personal entertainment as we please? Just take one moment and think about everything that has died so far and you dont have to answer that with - Uhhh nothing......

 

[marrone]

The way I see it, if its too good to be true, it probably is. Very often short term results may be ok but until someone shows me long term tests/results, I am not convinced.

The most basic and almost sacred motto in our hobby is patience. I will stick by that. Every owner of every great tank that we admire adheres to this one principle. Yes that includes the most respected Marine Biologists of our time. Why dont one of you go on RC and try to post this thread on the expert forum with Anthony Calfo..... I think even the polite scientist will curse.

You want your tank to cycle? You want ammonia? Rather than adding fish or other animals try pissing in it!! It works quite well. And remember that your first piss in the morning is sterile!!!

Non patience generally leads to a mediocre tank at best, where the owners cant get any satisfaction so they keep changing things around in the vain attempt to make the tank look somewhat ok for a couple of days.

What can I say, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR PATIENCE!!

my.02

Regards,
Instigator

I have posted in RC and my results over the years speak for themselves. I have posted on RC and have even offered a couple of marine biology to come over and look at my tanks. If Anthony Calfo wants to have a dissussion with me on this then please be my guest and have him email me as I know what my result are and have been over the years.

The whole thing with Nitrex is it converts the ammonia and nitrites over to nitrates in the beginning, so you can add fish right away. This lets you biology filter build up over time.

 

[jhale]

I think I would rather use the ammonia instead of peeing in my tank, but each to his own.

I do agree using fish to cycle a tank should be left in the dark ages of marine tanks.

I have used cycle and it helps to keep the ammonia down, it did not prevent nitrites from building up, so i would not endorse it as a substitute for letting the bacteria build up over time. you might not see what's happening to the fish, but it's not pretty from their point of view. I've never used nitrex so i can't comment on that.

 

[herman]

I have posted in RC and my results over the years speak for themselves. I have posted on RC and have even offered a couple of marine biology to come over and look at my tanks. If Anthony Calfo wants to have a dissussion with me on this then please be my guest and have him email me as I know what my result are and have been over the years.

The whole thing with Nitrex is it converts the ammonia and nitrites over to nitrates in the beginning, so you can add fish right away. This lets you biology filter build up over time.

There is a slight difference between most people and you. Your fish are older than some people on this board. When you use it you are still employing a lot of the basic principles of reefkeeping.

The point I am making is that people should practice due dilligence when getting into this hobby. To often we are asking and talking about shortcuts when the proper methods are completely foreign to some people on this board.

Like I said Marrone, you are a special and rare case!! You actually have respect for what is in your tank!

 

[cieman]

If you are cycling a tank with a reefugium in the sump and use something to speed up the cycling process does this make a difference in the bacteria growth?

 

[herman]

Bacteria need food to survive and multiply. Unless there is a source for it you will have very few bacteria and experience a spike when you add livestock. What do you mean by something. You piss in it or add ammonia it will make a difference. Add soap, it will do nothing but kill...

 

[jhale]

I think something refers to one of the products that are being discussed.

 

[herman]

I think something refers to one of the products that are being discussed.

I know, I am just being an a$$

 

[jhale]

I know, I am just being an a$$

oh, okay get on with your bad self , you had no "" in the post.
I could not tell what you were thinking.

 

[cieman]

Sorry, correct if you use one of theses products and are starting with a reefugium in your sump does it benifit the cycling process? (speed it up or hurt the process)?

 

[herman]

Oh sorry, I must remember the I need another beer very quickly before I post onother tissue box oprah thread about ethics.... :joke:

But its not far off...... :headache: :sgrin:

 

[herman]

Sorry, correct if you use one of theses products and are starting with a reefugium in your sump does it benifit the cycling process? (speed it up or hurt the process)?

I personally have never used these products, but if Marrone says it works then it works. He has the tanks to show for it. Shoot him a PM about the usage of nitrex

 

[marrone]

I personally have never used these products, but if Marrone says it works then it works. He has the tanks to show for it. Shoot him a PM about the usage of nitrex

These products do work, well I know Nitrex works not sure about the others as I haven't used them, but they really should be used for fish only type tanks and not for reef tanks. Most of these products convert the high ammonia and nitries over, that you get when you first start to cycle a tank, into nitrates which are less harmful to fish and they can handle the high nitrates better. This isn't the case for corals are they're much more senstive to nitrates. Since in your reef tank your going to use Live rock for filteration it's best to just let your tank cycle and that way once your tank is cycle it's ready to go. What these products really do is just give you a safety net in the begining to get your tank going and let you biology filter take over.

 

[marrone]

Like I said Marrone, you are a special and rare case!! You actually have respect for what is in your tank!

Last time some one told me I was a special case they keep me at the hospital for another week :icon16:

 

[marrone]

Sorry, correct if you use one of theses products and are starting with a reefugium in your sump does it benifit the cycling process? (speed it up or hurt the process)?

First of all Herman is right in that you need patience specially with a reef tank. You need to take your time with a reef tank and built up a bacteria load, using ammonia cloride like spike is doing is one way but even doing that you still need to wait until the tank cycles.

Also just because your tank cycles doesn't mean it can handle the load that your going to place into the tank, that's one reason spike is using ammonia cloride to built up a large biology load. Instead of worring that something is going to speed up the cycling process your should be concerned that what you have as a biology filter is good enough to handle you tank load in the long run.
These products, like Nitrex, Cycle and what ever else, are really for fish only type tanks and I know that Nitrex even has on the instructions that if you use it with corals you need to be careful as they're much more delicate and you should be prepared to do water changes at the any sign of stress. There are no short cut but some products do help for mistakes that can happen.

 

[herman]

Last time some one told me I was a special case they keep me at the hospital for another week :icon16:

HA HA HA HA HA :sgrin:

 

[cieman]

Thank you for the sound advice.

 

[dreko]

Just to add...
I've used this product in the past... and others they sell,Tri Base Pelletized Carbon, ph rocks, etc.

I dont' think I'll ever use it again... it was good when I was learning/beginner but now I think patience really is a good solid route.

I had a small Ammonia spike once (after tank was setup/stablized) decided to use a small amount of the right now bacteria again, it killed the tank. I called the company, spoke with their chemist... nice guy, but it felt like talking to a used car salesman.

I get the impression these guys might be chemists of some sort, but I feel their products are raw industrial solutions being applied to the reef market. 'Technically' they do work to some extent, but it does feel like I'm using short cut solutions to 'cover' the problems

Just my 2cents
Dre

 

[inkblue]

I get the impression these guys might be chemists of some sort, but I feel their products are raw industrial solutions being applied to the reef market. 'Technically' they do work to some extent, but it does feel like I'm using short cut solutions to 'cover' the problems

...dude, i thiNk thatS the nature of chemiSts and what they create. what medication ouT there ISNT covering uP probLems :bigeyes2: :lol: they aLL work to some eXtent eg. AIDS, cancer, weight loSs, peniLe hardNeSs :shocked1:

 

[dreko]

Hmmm....

I guess I should say I don't think they are specialized Bio-chemists, rather they seem like chemists from the local community college

Anycase, I used their stuff, hope it works for you... I just have mixed feelings...
Dre