Aquarium LED Lighting under siege

[dickenscd]

James, isn't it possible, since you had those beautiful clams for 10 years that they died slowly BECAUSE of the LED's not being sufficient? Remember, they thrived until you installed the LED's at the end of 2007. They lived until 12/08. One year and then suddenly dieing, not uncommon for a clam to die overnight when looking healthy the day before. Maybe they had insufficient lighting with the LED's.

Just a theory.

Russ

Wingo is right. The two 10" giant clams were never under LED light, they were under Giesemann 250W MH + T5 since Dec. 2007 in the following tanks. The pictures were taken on 08/11/08, previous pictures for tank with LED lights in this thread were taken on 02/05/09. All tanks are under the same water system.

The clam was on the top of the following picture,

Another clam was on the center bottom corner behind the big rock with xenia in the center,

Prior to Dec. 2007, the clams were in the following home tanks with MH + T5.

See the big clam below the lion fish.

The death of the clams has nothing to do with the LED lights. Actually, I feel Solaris "I" LED has stronger light than Giesemann 250W + 2 T5 because I found some bleaching mushrooms, brain corals on the bottom of the tank. Sanjay sent JBNY to measure the light, they have the numbers.

A week before the death of all clams, I dumped (not dosed) at least 200 ML of vodka in the tanks twice, and I believe it was the problem.

Prior to that, I had a 15" 15 years old clam died, but I am the one to be blamed. At that time, I was off the hobby, and did not make any water change for almost 5 years, snails grew inside the ETSS skimmer, and the temp went up to 90F in summer time without a chiller.


James

 

[Solace Aquatics LLC]

In recent months I have dealt with several lawyer/firms. Some for good situations and others for not so good situations.

I want to remind everyone that the United States of America is a Capitalist society. The only thing that talks in this society is MONEY and POWER.

Having said that, believe I dumped more money into lawyers in the past few months than I have in rent/utilities for the last YEAR.

I believe it was stated best by Prattreef a few pages ago that this lawsuit is going to come down to who has the deepest pockets and can afford the best lawyers. Firms can file paperwork faster than you can shake a stick at. When it comes to patents, god only knows how many different ways there is to win/lose this dispute. From my past relations with PFO (not speaking against them), but like many other American based companies, they were struggling to begin with, this is the last thing PFO needs financially.

I can only hope that things work out for Joy, she was always good to us and I wsh her the best of luck.

 

[Thatguy96]

Beautiful tank Thatguy96!

thanx man I cant wait to stock it like the rest of you guys!!!


GO LED

 

[dickenscd]

Ummmm, you dosed your tanks with Vodka? Why? Or were you dosing yourself with vodka and forgot to feed them?

I always like to experiment different ways to help the corals growth and simplify the reef keeping, but many times I did not do enough homework and tragedy happened, vodka dumping (not dosing) is one of them.

Vodka has been proved to reduce nitrade, phosphate and improve the water quality in my tanks, but liking dosing myself with vodka, it's no good if too much or too fast.

James

 

[dickenscd]

Pictures for Coral Growth Under LED

The blue tip acropora on the left, the green mille and orange cap on the center, and the purple acro on the top right grown from 1" frag starting in Dec. 2007, and the following picture was taken on 08/11/08.

The following picture was taken on 02/05/09 for your easy comparison of the growth under LED.

James

 

[masterswimmer]

James, thanks for the clarification. You've had some nice growth in that time. It is also very apparent that the clams demise had nothing to do with the LED's. Bummer you had to experience such a large loss. The clams were beautiful.

Russ

 

[Kamy]

Thanks for clarifying the vodka thing I gotta go research that! And yea, bummer about the clams, sorry you lost them, but the tank looks great!

 

[Kamy]

Thanks for clarifying the vodka thing I gotta go research that! And yea, bummer about the clams, sorry you lost them, but the tank looks great!

Okay, looked around, came across this... http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/showthread.php?t=2995

I think I will continue to dose myself with Vodka and keep my tank on straight up water changes

 

[jejton]

This is a link provided on Orbital's website in the letter by Mr. Crabb regarding the LED aquarium controversy. I'm not sure if this is a joint venture, partnership or subsidiary of Orbital but apparently they have a relationship so it seems Orbital will be releasing an aquarium LED fixture. This would explain the lawsuit. According to a thread over on RC, they plan on releasing it later this year though I cannot find anything on the website stating so.

 

[Keith P]

I read this post: http://glassbox-design.com/2009/orb...ment-in-response-to-pfo-lawsuit/#comment-2619

First, I believe PFO Lighting released a product prematurely causing nearly every fixture that was sold to suffer some sort of defect. I have had a 100% failure rate with every fixture we installed on customers aquariums. Though PFO Lighting initially was responsive to correct all of the issues with these fixtures (though they all continue to this day to have problems), now there is no response from the company either by email, phone or in response to registered letters mailed to the company. With thousands of these fixtures sold around the country, if the failure rate was anything close to the fixtures I sold, how could this company recover from such a financial loss even without this lawsuit over the LED patent. I contacted Orbitech concerning the lawsuit via email and was responded to within an hour. The partner company of Orbitech that will be launching their line of LED fixtures noted that they intend to set up a part of the company for servicing defective PFO Lighting Solaris fixtures so owners will not be left in the cold with these expensive yet defective fixtures. If a stronger company intends on launching a more tested LED system and step in to help owners of defective fixtures released by a company that did not test their fixtures (PFO Lighting) properly, then I believe we (the aquarium industry) should support them. If Orbitech indeed invested vast amounts of time and money to develop LED technology and went so far as to patent their discoveries, then PFO Lighting overstepped their boundaries. If PFO Lighting had released a quality tested product and sold them to the public, then they would be more financially sound in fighting this patent lawsuit. But instead, PFO Lighting released a product prematurely, it has failed miserably as far as reliability, now a stronger company with tested technology that they patented should have the right to benefit from their hard work and release a quality LED product WHEN IT IS READY FOR THE MARKET.

 

[Keith P]

I was really hoping to see these on a marine aquarium :grumpy:

 

[Killerdrgn]

what is that?

 

[masterswimmer]

what is that?

I said the same thing. Almost looks like cardinal tetras jumping out of the water.

swimmer

 

[Keith P]

what is that?

An LED fixture that WAS going to be made.

http://www.vitrea.it/index.php

 

[Marteen]

Are those holographic tetras?

 

[puffcrusader696]

thats a friggen sweet light

 

[inkblue]

finaLLy

http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/philips_leds_the_way_12817.asp

 

[Killerdrgn]

Holy Sh$%

Priced at around 120 Pounds, the LivingColors has been available in Europe since '07, but there's no word as to when it might come 'Stateside.

[SIZE=+1]120 British pounds = 166.34400 U.S. dollars[/SIZE]