ANyone has Flame electric scallops ?

[spykes]

i dont think it's about only the scallop but the principle of keeping something you cant keep, and selling something while you know that person cant keep it.
it's called screwing someone.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Pudge Reef guy is a good guy hands down. And with him buying a scallop it by far doesn't make him a bad person. The screw up here is with Wingo. He was told how difficult it was to keep these animals alive for a long time in a tank (after he asked) and when challenged he came up with a friend who kept them for 2 years in their tank. I think that friend is another one of Wingo's experiments but that's another topic. Then he chalenges people (NOT ME I AM STILL A NEWBIE AT THIS STUFF) who have been involved in this hobby for as long as I am alive about their ACTUAL experience with these animals. Thats like walking into his bar and telling him how to pour a beer. A flat out insult. Not to mention he hasn't a clue about anything in this hobby and starts selling livestock out of the basement of his bar when he said he was gonna stick to dry goods and live rock.

If I were reef guy I would feel robbed and swindled because a retailer should know his customers and his products and at least have some clue on the care for the livestock he sells. Wingo just made the sale, counted his cash, and if nothing was said in this thread would never have agreed to make good on it somehow when they met next. There should be a standard set here on MR to qualify to be a vendor. If you wanna make a buck off of frags or do a group buy more power to you, but to be a vendor you should have to meet some sort of req's.

 

[herman]

Our hobby is a very strangeone.So much knowledge and skill intertwined to keep a successful reef. Sure we eat beef, bacon, chicken and sushi. But this is not what the hobby is about.

I have to agree with Dave (Spykes). This hobby is about keeping the livestock that we buy alive. Not just barely alive but to keep them happy. Its been said numerous times b4 about what is hard to keep and what is not. Some listen and some dont. That is their perrogative. If someone decides to buy something without researching, well what can I say to that?

I understand that some get pissed at the fact that there are people that sell for profit things that they should not really be selling. I get mad at that also. But there is no real reason why any of us should publicly insult them in any way.

We are a young board and we are reviewing all the aspects of the board. Its true that we make it very easy for people to sell stuff for profit and maybe we are partly to blame for it. Im just dissapointed that I dont see a donor symbol under their avatar.

Be that as it may the best thing we can do as a group of reefers is to try to get people to understand what they should, can and cannot keep. Some will never get it, that is just life.

As for redflagging certain people and vendors, we are still discussing on the best course of action. We have installed the warning system and other systems will be in place also.

Just remember guys - They key is to educate!! Thats what we are all about.

 

[thepudge]

i dont think it's about only the scallop but the principle of keeping something you cant keep, and selling something while you know that person cant keep it.
it's called screwing someone.

That is a good point, and if the purchaser wants to complain about getting screwed, he has my sympathy and I think he should be able to return them. But he hasn't said anything about getting screwed, and if he is willing to take the risk of owning these, then more power to him. I was just making the point that I do not feel sorry for the scallops.

Flame scallops, koko worms, linkia stars, sea apples, etc etc are all widely acknowledged to be hard to keep, but lots of people try and some succeed at keeping them. This hobby IS about keeping things alive, but losses are a big part of the hobby and we've all lost livestock over the years. But we keep these reefs for our own gratification -- you don't own a maxima clam for its own sake, you own it because it makes your tank more attractive.

 

[loismustdie]

Just remember guys - They key is to educate!! Thats what we are all about.

That is pretty much all MR was about little more than 1 year ago. The large influx of so called vendors in here should look at that quote.

 

[thepudge]

I definately care about the livestock I keep.. I just can't bring myself to care about the livestock other people keep.

I was actually going to delete this post, but decided not to; I want to see the response it gets from people who actually care about the livestock they keep.

 

[loismustdie]

Pudge, If all you care about is your own live stock and not what other people do, why bother posting here? Start your own thread all about your own tank. Your last few comments were generally unhelpful, selfish and overwhelmingly stupid.

 

[jhale]

this thread had potential to educate, instead it's heading for the toilet.

:flush:

please do not attack each other personally.

 

[thepudge]

I am just saying that if someone wants to buy a scallop and take the chance that it will die, it is their choice and I won't look down on them for it. I just don't subscribe to the "livestock is suffering and its my job to save it" kind of argument, especially as applied to non-endangered inverts. Rare/endangered inverts and corals are definately a different story, but electric scallops are not in this category.

I chimed in because it seemed like people were calling this guy who sold the scallop a liar and a cheat, and that didn't seem fair to me. I certainly didn't mean to insult you and hope you accept my sincere apologies.

and I would start a thread about my tank, but there are already about 50 "How do I get rid of hair algae" threads here.

Pudge, If all you care about is your own live stock and not what other people do, why bother posting here? Start your own thread all about your own tank. Your last few comments were generally unhelpful, selfish and overwhelmingly stupid.

 

[Tonyscoots84]

It is a filter feeder, and requires floating micro-plankton to be kept alive in the aquarium, and will do best in a mature reef aquarium system. It also needs proper calcium levels and alkalinity. It does not tolerate nitrates or copper-based medications. It requires supplementation with phytoplankton, and organic foods (Marine Snow or Selcon) provided by using a small pipette/straw to dispense the food upstream of its location. Each Electric Flame Scallop needs to be fed individually.

also as was said in wingos other thread they dont survive very long in a aqaurium and they should be left in the ocean.... were they could thrive... i dont think anyone here has one...

i think what is said above this text was enough... if anyone has to bash dont do it publicly.. do it in a pm if you have something to say to the other individual... :thanks:.. .. i dunno how many times this has to be said...:supermad: :sleeping: :arg:

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Thanks for so many advice and so many assumptions without actual facts.

Let me first answer the one who claimed I am childish. I did not complain about what nano said. I just asked him to direct his answer to the topic, not inject his opinion of my character in a thread that has nothing to do with it. I did not comment on his characcter nor do I assume he is attacking me or not. He is welcomed to evaluate me in a trader/seller evaluation when which MR site has spent great effort in maintianing. This simply isn't the place. I further don't understand why so many others of you would take the chance to drift from the real topic "what to feed the scallops."

CBB is considered HARD to keep by Dr Foster and Smith and most local customer who frequent LFS, so this invalidate what one of you say Dr. Foster just wanna sell. Remind yourself, he claims flame electric scallop is moderate while CBB is hard. I see even reputed ronan is selling CBB. I also would like to remind you guys when our fellow members are selling CBB, no one would complaint. Please tell me how this work?

Someone is talking about building a jellyfish home and received warm welcome by the same people who advised me that I am not good at the scallops nor any SW stuff. While I am attacked on every counts on almost everything while someone building a jelly fish home which not much people here has experience or proper info on is not a problem. I just don't understand.

I was mocked by someone about the Monaco system while someone building a bottle DSB is received with warm interests. I don't get it.

I always listen to you guys for proven and proper info. like the info about the star fish. Other speculations need to be verified for example about my tank-ppl have been attacking without even seeing it-they don't even know the tank is FW or SW nor do they know that's one trick to keep aggressive spieces alive. While those who came over and seen the tank appreciated the work. So please do not assume too much. I make the same mistake(assuming too much) alot too-like I would not expect a pretty experienced reefer like JAV would not know what the scallop eats. I assume he knows like I assume your guys knows but obviously not. So I ask everyone here not to assume too much, including me, and not jumping to conclusion without proofs. We are not some talk shows for arguing things that we have no proofs.

I did not sell Jav the scallops, they costed more than the tank he traded with me. So assumimg or implying me being a greedy person is incorrect. Do I want to make money? Sure I do, but not greedy. My price is lower than most if not all. I only special order for those who advance order from me. The customer has the right and should take responsibility before placing an order.

From this swing of topic from someone(JAV) who ask for info to advising me how to treat SW stuff has taught me a lesson though. I would start to provide information about the products before they order them despite how experienced the customer is. I hope the other vendors and trading hobbists here would follow suite.

Let it be clear, I am not mad at anyone who commented on me-I just hope you guys can make comments when you have the facts and not having another agenda in helping another vendor.

My final statement in this thread will end as follows. Please watch your stuff when you are on vacation-hard or easy to keep items will die too. Ignorance in equipment is just as bad if not worse than ignorance in husbandry. Ignorance in proper thinking is the worst of all. Three tank crashes in less than a week is a bad sign of how good we are treating our pets here. Other vendors who continue to order CBB is also a mistake since I found alot ppl here cannot raise them past a month.

I have the right to help people order what they want and if you think they do not have the knowledge of doing a good job like you, please direct your advise to the people who is placing the order. I stop getting the star fish because in my own research that they are really hard to keep. As for the scallops I still do not agree that they are any harder to keep than, for example, a CBB. We just need to have the right environment for them, your tanks may be not right but mine is OK with scallops, little necks and such. Your tank is right for let say percula but mine is bad for them.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Our hobby is a very strangeone.So much knowledge and skill intertwined to keep a successful reef. Sure we eat beef, bacon, chicken and sushi. But this is not what the hobby is about.

I have to agree with Dave (Spykes). This hobby is about keeping the livestock that we buy alive. Not just barely alive but to keep them happy. Its been said numerous times b4 about what is hard to keep and what is not. Some listen and some dont. That is their perrogative. If someone decides to buy something without researching, well what can I say to that?

I understand that some get pissed at the fact that there are people that sell for profit things that they should not really be selling. I get mad at that also. But there is no real reason why any of us should publicly insult them in any way.

We are a young board and we are reviewing all the aspects of the board. Its true that we make it very easy for people to sell stuff for profit and maybe we are partly to blame for it. Im just dissapointed that I dont see a donor symbol under their avatar.

Be that as it may the best thing we can do as a group of reefers is to try to get people to understand what they should, can and cannot keep. Some will never get it, that is just life.

As for redflagging certain people and vendors, we are still discussing on the best course of action. We have installed the warning system and other systems will be in place also.

Just remember guys - They key is to educate!! Thats what we are all about.

I wll definately donate once I feel I am not being discriminated.

 

[nanoreefer22]

I am just saying that if someone wants to buy a scallop and take the chance that it will die, it is their choice and I won't look down on them for it. I just don't subscribe to the "livestock is suffering and its my job to save it" kind of argument, especially as applied to non-endangered inverts. Rare/endangered inverts and corals are definately a different story, but electric scallops are not in this category.

I chimed in because it seemed like people were calling this guy who sold the scallop a liar and a cheat, and that didn't seem fair to me. I certainly didn't mean to insult you and hope you accept my sincere apologies.

and I would start a thread about my tank, but there are already about 50 "How do I get rid of hair algae" threads here.

Does it make a difference whether it's endangered or not? Would you get a dog knowing that it would be damn near close to impossible to keep just because its not endangered? It's been tried and tried and tried some more and still hardly anyone out there as even reasonable success with keeping these scallops alive.

That same money could have been put toward something Reef Guy could have kept long term. I know Reef Guy too and hes a good guy, just probably didn't have all the information in front of him before making the purchase.

Now I know I kinda started the whole downfall of this thread without knowing, but sometimes it just has to be said. Wingo, knowing one person that's kept the scallops for 2 years is fine by all means; but when it's up against the odds of the thousands that probably die in captivity each year, some might chalk it up to pure luck. Leave 'em in the ocean and it's all just fine, bring 'em to our tanks and it's a completely different situation.

Haven't dropped a nickel in a while but theres $0.05 just for ya'll
-Kris

 

[Tonyscoots84]

oK enough already.... wingo people here have alot more experience then u and i times 20 combined in this hobby.. if they say that it is a difficult animal to care for, why is it so hard for you to understand.. im not bashing you just annoyed that so many problems have arised over the past couple of months. and im tired of it... i come here to enjoy my free time and spend that time gaining knowledge and creating friendships with people :grouphug: no need for the garbage and bashing..

just a little side info....
if ronen does sell that cbb he is going to sell it to a responsible and experienced buyer.(a good vendor will do that with the harder to care for livestock).. so thats 2 the side...

with reef guy posting this after he traded with you dont show much about you caring for the livestock... example being if i went to my lfs he tells me what the animal or coral needs to be fed or how it needs to be fed....

enough already and hopefully we all learn from this and keep the HARDER to keep livestock in the ocean were they should be.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Does it make a difference whether it's endangered or not? Would you get a dog knowing that it would be damn near close to impossible to keep just because its not endangered? It's been tried and tried and tried some more and still hardly anyone out there as even reasonable success with keeping these scallops alive.

That same money could have been put toward something Reef Guy could have kept long term. I know Reef Guy too and hes a good guy, just probably didn't have all the information in front of him before making the purchase.

Now I know I kinda started the whole downfall of this thread without knowing, but sometimes it just has to be said. Wingo, knowing one person that's kept the scallops for 2 years is fine by all means; but when it's up against the odds of the thousands that probably die in captivity each year, some might chalk it up to pure luck. Leave 'em in the ocean and it's all just fine, bring 'em to our tanks and it's a completely different situation.

Haven't dropped a nickel in a while but theres $0.05 just for ya'll
-Kris

Good point, now we are talking. This is the kind of reasoning we should be hearing. I would not order an endangered spieces nor those I believed they are hard to keep. I will continue to research on this scallop thing why so many also say they can raise them Ok. If I find that raising with success is a simple measure that MR members forgot, I will let everyone know. If it takes a lot of effort, I would also stop ordering them for ppl.

Just want you to know I am not mad at you.

 

[thepudge]

I think there's a big difference between a dog and a scallop.. Scallops are about the same level as snails and shrimp on the evolutionary scheme of things. If there are a hundred million scallops, and someone kills one, its just not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. However, if someone if trying to propogate a rare coral or invert and is actually contributing to the survival of the species, it is very important.

And I'm not trying to be a jerk or offend anyone here, I am just bored and trying to express my deep, important thoughts on the matter.

Does it make a difference whether it's endangered or not? Would you get a dog knowing that it would be damn near close to impossible to keep just because its not endangered? It's been tried and tried and tried some more and still hardly anyone out there as even reasonable success with keeping these scallops alive.

That same money could have been put toward something Reef Guy could have kept long term. I know Reef Guy too and hes a good guy, just probably didn't have all the information in front of him before making the purchase.

Now I know I kinda started the whole downfall of this thread without knowing, but sometimes it just has to be said. Wingo, knowing one person that's kept the scallops for 2 years is fine by all means; but when it's up against the odds of the thousands that probably die in captivity each year, some might chalk it up to pure luck. Leave 'em in the ocean and it's all just fine, bring 'em to our tanks and it's a completely different situation.

Haven't dropped a nickel in a while but theres $0.05 just for ya'll
-Kris

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

oK enough already.... wingo people here have alot more experience then u and i times 20 combined in this hobby.. if they say that it is a difficult animal to care for, why is it so hard for you to understand.. im not bashing you just annoyed that so many problems have arised over the past couple of months...

just a little side info....
if ronen does sell that cbb he is going to sell it to a responsible and experienced buyer.(a good vendor will do that with the harder to care for livestock).. so thats 2 the side...

with reef guy posting this after he traded with you dont show much about you caring for the livestock... example being if i went to my lfs he tells me what the animal or coral needs to be fed or how it needs to be fed....

enough already and hopefully we all learn from this and keep the HARDER to keep livestock in the ocean were they should be.

Before anyone impulse buys please post 1st asking about the certain thing you are planning to buy so we can give you all the help and answer all the question you have.

He was told what to feed-just that he wants to know more!!! He was told "the second drawer and look at that bottle, use target feed with a sringe" and such like what you said............. LOLOLOL

That's what I call jump to conclusion. BTW thanks for reminding me to tell everyone that I have actually told him.

Why "hard to accept" because I have heard and seen success elsewhere while even famous repuatable people agrees that they are not too hard to raise in captive, especailly when I have eye witnessed some are doing ok so far. I know the worry that they will eventaully fall for the same waste away situation. I appreciate your worry about the animals, a friend and the forum. Being told to do something that your eyes seen them the other way is hard to accept.

 

[nanoreefer22]

Thanks for so many advice and so many assumptions without actual facts.

Let me first answer the one who claimed I am childish. I did not complain about what nano said. I just asked him to direct his answer to the topic, not inject his opinion of my character in a thread that has nothing to do with it. I did not comment on his characcter nor do I assume he is attacking me or not. He is welcomed to evaluate me in a trader/seller evaluation when which MR site has spent great effort in maintianing. This simply isn't the place. I further don't understand why so many others of you would take the chance to drift from the real topic "what to feed the scallops."

CBB is considered HARD to keep by Dr Foster and Smith and most local customer who frequent LFS, so this invalidate what one of you say Dr. Foster just wanna sell. Remind yourself, he claims flame electric scallop is moderate while CBB is hard. I see even reputed ronan is selling CBB. I also would like to remind you guys when our fellow members are selling CBB, no one would complaint. Please tell me how this work?

Someone is talking about building a jellyfish home and received warm welcome by the same people who advised me that I am not good at the scallops nor any SW stuff. While I am attacked on every counts on almost everything while someone building a jelly fish home which not much people here has experience or proper info on is not a problem. I just don't understand.

I was mocked by someone about the Monaco system while someone building a bottle DSB is received with warm interests. I don't get it.

Hate to jump into this hell of a thread again, but why are you using other people to prove your point if in fact you consider Flame Scallops an "OK" invert to deal with?

This just seems a little contradictory that you're comparing the Flame Scallops you consider to be "OK" to harder to keep CBB. If you truly do believe that Flame Scallops are "OK" then you would have never compared them the CBB which you believe is hard to keep. It could just be the way I'm reading it or it could be the way you're writing it, but it just doesn't seem right.

It also doesn't seem right that your bringing other people who have nothing to do with this thread. You said you wanted to stay away from bashing but it seems as though you're indiscreetly bashing a few members.
That's two nickels in one day, damn.
-Kris

 

[lazyreefer]

lotta flames going around these days...

can we all just get along? :grouphug:

 

[Tonyscoots84]

i guess this is a never ending battle. lmao... thepudge you have the wrong thinking my friend.... animals are animals.. even snails deserve there right to be alive and live happy... just a piece of good advice if im bored i research things i dont add more fuel to the fire.... :grouphug: