Ich + something else?

[Domboski]

Copper is only effective against ich at the proper dosing level

I had bacterial infection in mind when I wrote that. I don't ever think it is a good idea to treat with copper. It is toxic to too many fish.

In any case, Kathy is better qualified than me :hug: to provide guidance although I consider myself a furan2 and praziquantal expert since I've used it so many times :shhh: :lol2:

 

[Bob 1000]

Wow I can't believe no one said this but... Using all these meds will most likely wipe out the good bacteria levels and end up killing the fish from a cycle... I believe some water changes and heating the water up a little, while adding more air will do the trick,, AND oh yeah uv is essential when it starts falling of and infecting your fish all over again.. .. Nitrates do bother fish..

But hey I could be wrong because I stop getting ich a while ago even with the more delicate species... Meds aren't always the answer.. Sometimes they just complicate the situation...

 

[NYPDFrogman]

the ich will fall off with the copper trick is keeping the fish healthy enough to develop an immunity

 

[jhale]

Tobin I agree on the meds, I've never had to use them, but the spotfins are pretty badly covered.

Also I should mention I want to get the fish healthy then start over with the tank in general.

 

[Domboski]

If it happened to be velvet, treating with metronidazole would have no effect on the biological filtration but would not do anything for the bacterial issue. I've used a mix of Furan2 and metro in the past successfully. Furan2 may cause an issue with the good bacteria though.

 

[Bob 1000]

If they are that far gone it will either be better in a couple of days from upgraded water quality or,,,,well you no.. Sorry if I seem blunt..

 

[Bob 1000]

Whatever you choose, I hope all works out for your fishies..

 

[Domboski]

This would be my reco (I know this is getting confusing):

Personally I prefer aquarium pharmaceutical meds. I'd set up a seperate 5 - 10 gallon tank and treat one or two butterflies using super ich cure and furan2 at half dosage. See how they react to that. If all goes well you can treat the rest. If it doesn't work, titrate the dosage.

Actually, whatever treatment course you choose, it may be best to try with one or two butterflies in a seperate tank and see how the react to it first before treating all of them.

If you want to try metro (an ingredient in General Cure), furan2 or super ich cure I have plenty you can have. I always keep a lot of furan2 and praziquantal handy.

 

[jhale]

I choose to use a copper based treatment, I'm going to go with seachems cupramine.
I spoke to (ie bothered) Jason and Rob at greenwich aquaria for an hour the other day about the best way to treat the fish. I'll start another thread for the treatment.

Also I tested the water and there was hardly any NO3, it was less than 10ppm on an elos test kit. So I can rule out poor water conditions playing a factor.