Aquarium Ick!! Need Help or Suggestion!

[BroRage]

Johan, how long did you dip for and did you notice a significant difference after the dip.

I dip for at least 20-30 secs ... basically what I also do is wait till I see all the white specs from the fish go away... and then dose some extra iodine..

- your right the spores and the ick still remains but for those that have nanos - we do not have quarantine tanks.. unless you make a seperate tank or something to hold just that fish with an airstone or filter..

but sorry for the loss cause I know the feeling of losing expensive fish.. but thats the risks we take.. or could be that the breeding stock that ora is sending out is not coming out that great from the breeding.. cause one of my clowns has a hole in its fin which has not closed up but it seems healthy..

 

[juan319]

I too purchased two clown fishes, and they died within 24 hours, now I also have two out of 13 fishes with ick. The fishes have been in the tank for a while with no prior problems. And I also paid $75.00 for them.

 

[jaymo]

wolf I bought the same clowns 2 days ago 2 have ich and one won't eat and keeps his anel fins retracted . Does any one know why the fish that won't eat keeps his fins retracted ?

 

[KathyC]

wolf I bought the same clowns 2 days ago 2 have ich and one won't eat and keeps his anel fins retracted . Does any one know why the fish that won't eat keeps his fins retracted ?

That is a common reaction to having ich.
Do you have the fish in a QT and are you treating them?

 

[NoobieReefer]

where did you guys get these at? I've purchased a pair as well and they are going great!

 

[georgelc86]

I dip for at least 20-30 secs ... basically what I also do is wait till I see all the white specs from the fish go away... and then dose some extra iodine..

- your right the spores and the ick still remains but for those that have nanos - we do not have quarantine tanks.. unless you make a seperate tank or something to hold just that fish with an airstone or filter..

but sorry for the loss cause I know the feeling of losing expensive fish.. but thats the risks we take.. or could be that the breeding stock that ora is sending out is not coming out that great from the breeding.. cause one of my clowns has a hole in its fin which has not closed up but it seems healthy..

I got my dipping info from an article in ReefKeeping.com and the person that wrote the article suggested dipping the fish for at least a minute provided that the fish isnt flipping out. If it just sinks its supposedly all good. I had two false perculas that I dipped. One didnt flip out the other went berzerk. The one that didnt flip out stayed alive and well for a few months until I got hit with ich. The one that flipped out died the next morning. It also had what appeared to be some type of fungus on it. After the dip for only a few seconds the area of infection was noticably improved. But I took it out immediatly because it was freaking.

When the ich hit my tank recently I dipped the Yellow Tang for a minute and it didnt freak out, unfortunatly I wasnt able to notice a difference since I went from the dip to the hospital bucket. I am sure this stressed the crap out of him but he is back in my main tank doing great.

I recently got two maroon clowns from ORA this past week and one is doing fine and the other swims like it has a lead weight on it. Weird. But it is eating and I noticed it going after a peice of flake agressively last night. I am waiting it out to see what happens. Its weird it almost seems like it moves around like a scorpion fish sometimes. I am starting to wonder if there is a possible swimming bladder infection due to the lack of bouyancy.

 

[Wolverine57]

wolf I bought the same clowns 2 days ago 2 have ich and one won't eat and keeps his anel fins retracted . Does any one know why the fish that won't eat keeps his fins retracted ?

Where did you get yours?

 

[Wolverine57]

where did you guys get these at? I've purchased a pair as well and they are going great!

ORA

 

[jaymo]

House of fish is this the same place as ora ?

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

ORA sells fish to distributors whi then sell them to us. They sell captive bred/aquacultured livestock.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

http://www.orafarm.com/fish.html

FYI

 

[jaymo]

thanks chief maby their all from the same distributor?

 

[House of Laughter]

Johnny, Jay - you were both here and are welcome back to see that NONE of the fish in my systems have Marine Ich OR Brooklynella (clown fish disease) - I will even show you when you're here that they are all eating - if not, I'll replace them no charge.

Jay, what other animals do you have in the tank that may have spawned it? Clowns stress very quickly and if not left for acclimation can get "the Brook" very quickly -

Thats why we drip acclimate in the dark turning one light on ata a time.

Again, sorry to hear they got the brook, and both of you are welcome back to see that none of the fish, including ones still here from that shipment are infected.

House

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Johnny, Jay - you were both here and are welcome back to see that NONE of the fish in my systems have Marine Ich OR Brooklynella (clown fish disease) - I will even show you when you're here that they are all eating - if not, I'll replace them no charge.

Jay, what other animals do you have in the tank that may have spawned it? Clowns stress very quickly and if not left for acclimation can get "the Brook" very quickly -

Thats why we drip acclimate in the dark turning one light on ata a time.

Again, sorry to hear they got the brook, and both of you are welcome back to see that none of the fish, including ones still here from that shipment are infected.

House

Saw them yesterday, they looked fine. No signs of either in the tank. Also, I bought a wrasse from the system and it shows no sign of disease.

 

[kimoyo]

Johnny - Firstly, are you sure it was ick? I haven't known ick to kill that quickly especially since the blenny died right along with the clowns. I've done a lot of upgrades now and one of the things thats in the back of my mind are toxins leaching out from the new equipment (skimmers, reactors, sumps, etc.) considering the construction process and depending on the material used. Are you sure toxins didn't kill the fish? I'm asking because you just did an upgrade and all and only the fish died. When I help doing upgrades the first thing I have the person do is soak all the new equipment at least for a few days before the its used, and if animals are going to be placed in right away, maybe longer.

 

[jaymo]

I just wanted to clear things up I'm not blaming anyone, all the fish were healthy when I saw them at house of fish and I am vary pleased with my fish .I know that things like this happen and I plan to buy more of the black clowns from jim when they get the next shipment in . He is a really cool guy and I had a great time at house of fish top notch seller

 

[Wolverine57]

Johnny - Firstly, are you sure it was ick? I haven't known ick to kill that quickly especially since the blenny died right along with the clowns. I've done a lot of upgrades now and one of the things thats in the back of my mind are toxins leaching out from the new equipment (skimmers, reactors, sumps, etc.) considering the construction process and depending on the material used. Are you sure toxins didn't kill the fish? I'm asking because you just did an upgrade and all and only the fish died. When I help doing upgrades the first thing I have the person do is soak all the new equipment at least for a few days before the its used, and if animals are going to be placed in right away, maybe longer.

Paul, the 24G Aquapod, Lights & skimmer was not new! It was setup for months with most of the same corals, LR, and same blenny! Previous to the misbar I had 2 beautiful healthy yellow striped maroon clowns, along with a cleaner shrimp and 2 harlequin shrimps. As soon as I saw the white spots on the clowns, I knew it was too late. As I said my blenny was in the tank before these ORA misbar clowns.

 

[Wolverine57]

Johnny, Jay - you were both here and are welcome back to see that NONE of the fish in my systems have Marine Ich OR Brooklynella (clown fish disease) - I will even show you when you're here that they are all eating - if not, I'll replace them no charge.

Jay, what other animals do you have in the tank that may have spawned it? Clowns stress very quickly and if not left for acclimation can get "the Brook" very quickly -

Thats why we drip acclimate in the dark turning one light on ata a time.

Again, sorry to hear they got the brook, and both of you are welcome back to see that none of the fish, including ones still here from that shipment are infected.

House

Jim, I'm not doubting that the ones you have are doing fine or not! However, the day I bought these misbar was the same day I had empty the tank, to have it drill. Purchase new sand, and I was told I should have waited to put these clowns for a week or two, especially since they are so sensitive. I think this was the cause of the stress! Should I have waited??

Regarding the sand, washed several times with RO water, if anyone ask. Just upset more than anything!

Jim, this thread was intended soley, to find out if I did something wronge, or if anyone else has experience similiar issue with these ORA clowns. Just airy out, little piss here, that is all!

 

[House of Laughter]

Johnny, no worries - I am not trying to skirt blame either - so, we're on the same page - I am just bummed you lost them.

I didn't know you were using the new sand you bought to restart the tank - I thought you were going to use the new stuff for something else - definitely should have waited at least a week if you could have and I would have recommended away from it if you were putting the new sand in it - we were rushing around to get things done when you were here - had I known, I definitely would have said wait.

We'll try to help out with the next set (or whatever you buy) to offset the cost, but they definitely should not have gone in same day with new sand/rebuilding the system after the drill -

House

 

[KathyC]

To all who are following along on this thread...

Jim brought up an interesting point that I forgot I knew..and that is in regard to Brooklynella.

Brooklynella IS a form of Maine Ich but is not the same as what most folks refer to as Ich.
Brooklynella is also know as Clownfish Disease and it is a much more potent (and faster killing ich) than the usual ich we see.

It is also treated differently as apparently hypo does NOT work on Brooklynella but formalin is used instead.
It's causes are not as clear cut as Marine Ich (I'll leave out all the Latin names for ich for now)though stress usually seems to play a part.
The other main difference that I can't saay I see reported here is that there is usually a mucus film that develops on the fish.

I am attaching some links for treatment here for anyone following this post that has yet to run into this disease.

I am also going to be asking that we put up a couple of 'stickys' for treatment of Ich and Brooklynella as lately we've had a slew of these questions.

I'm sorry for those of you that have lost fish due to these illnesses.

This is the most complete description of treatment that gives very good advice. Please read it carefully & fully
http://home2.pacific.net.ph/~sweetyummy42/brookynella.html

Here is a second link:
http://www.fishvet.com/Brooklynella.htm