Odontanthias borbonius available again?
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I got another one this weekend. It is tiny! 
My old one (named it Frappy ... it's about 4" now - doubled in size in less then a year) has not bothered the tiny new specimen yet. Frappy investigates it and occasionally gently bumps the juvie, but it does not chase or nip it. In fact, Frappy will chase off the bimacs that swim too close to the juvie.
My old one (named it Frappy ... it's about 4" now - doubled in size in less then a year) has not bothered the tiny new specimen yet. Frappy investigates it and occasionally gently bumps the juvie, but it does not chase or nip it. In fact, Frappy will chase off the bimacs that swim too close to the juvie.Len,
What size tank do you have the bimacs & borbonius in? My bimacs were so aggressive to my fairy wrasses, golden angel, perculas, Kaudern's cardinal, etc that they had to be moved to another set up.
Now, the pair is in another tank with a fridmani pseudochromis, centropyge loriculi, and maroon clown where they still rule the roost chasing everyone about (they were added last & have been at it for 7 months). I'd have been scared to put the borbonius I got with them!!
Should I expect the borbonius to be as aggressive to other planktivores as the bimacs? I can't find much information out there on the borbonious.
Candy
What size tank do you have the bimacs & borbonius in? My bimacs were so aggressive to my fairy wrasses, golden angel, perculas, Kaudern's cardinal, etc that they had to be moved to another set up.
Now, the pair is in another tank with a fridmani pseudochromis, centropyge loriculi, and maroon clown where they still rule the roost chasing everyone about (they were added last & have been at it for 7 months). I'd have been scared to put the borbonius I got with them!!
Should I expect the borbonius to be as aggressive to other planktivores as the bimacs? I can't find much information out there on the borbonious.
Candy
My tank is a 176 gallon. My male bimac is really mean towards my P.flavicuanda, but the Borb and Joculator angel will not allow anyone to bully them It's actually very interesting watching my Borb posture against any other fish. It puffs off its jaws and gill slits.
My fairy wrasses (especially my 5+ inch giant male) also show the bimacs who's boss.
My borb is peaceful except it will occassionally chase the P.flavicaunda (poor fish is the target of everyone's bullying) around for a little bit; My borb has stopped doing this though. Borbs can't swim very fast and seem to tire quickly, so the aggression is never really that bad.
It's actually very interesting watching my Borb posture against any other fish. It puffs off its jaws and gill slits. My fairy wrasses (especially my 5+ inch giant male) also show the bimacs who's boss.
My borb is peaceful except it will occassionally chase the P.flavicaunda (poor fish is the target of everyone's bullying) around for a little bit; My borb has stopped doing this though. Borbs can't swim very fast and seem to tire quickly, so the aggression is never really that bad.
I just saw that Liveaquaria.com still has a couple of these:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/It ... &siteid=20
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/It ... &siteid=20
My current fish list is pretty much the same as before:
3 x Cirrhilabrus roseafacia
1 x Black Tang
1 x Joculator Angel
1 x Golden Sailfin Blenny
2 x Yasha Gobies
2 x Borbonius
2 x Bimac Anthias (1 female RIP due to FWE treatement)
1 x Pseudanthias flavicauda
2 x Cleaner Gobies
1 x Helfrichi Firefish
I think that's it.
3 x Cirrhilabrus roseafacia
1 x Black Tang
1 x Joculator Angel
1 x Golden Sailfin Blenny
2 x Yasha Gobies
2 x Borbonius
2 x Bimac Anthias (1 female RIP due to FWE treatement)
1 x Pseudanthias flavicauda
2 x Cleaner Gobies
1 x Helfrichi Firefish
I think that's it.
Guys,
Has anyone discovered how to sex these yet?
The only plausable visual sex i.d. I can think of is that the males have yellow blotches and the females have darker greyish-brownish/dirty-gold blotches. Maybe it's just a coincidence but the ones I have that have a more vibrant yellow blotch seem to also behave a bit more dominant. Any thoughts?
Has anyone discovered how to sex these yet?
The only plausable visual sex i.d. I can think of is that the males have yellow blotches and the females have darker greyish-brownish/dirty-gold blotches. Maybe it's just a coincidence but the ones I have that have a more vibrant yellow blotch seem to also behave a bit more dominant. Any thoughts?
clarionreef
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The obsession with deep water fishes has led to the deaths of enough divers already.
Divers need to stand up to the exporters pressuring them to go deep and resign or go on strike if they must.
Tonga, Vanuatu, Gilbert Island dealers have already killed divers...
Perhaps this deep fish craze needs to slow down....enough is enough.
Steve
Divers need to stand up to the exporters pressuring them to go deep and resign or go on strike if they must.
Tonga, Vanuatu, Gilbert Island dealers have already killed divers...
Perhaps this deep fish craze needs to slow down....enough is enough.
Steve
Unfortunetly our hobby is not the only one at fault for putting 3rd world people's health and lives in danger in order to make a buck.
With more and more companies going overseas in order to save money on labor and to dance around safety regulations this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I am sure there will be some people will argue that no one is holding a gun to these divers heads but I am sure they are just trying to put food on their families table whatever way they can.
Any idea how much they get paid to collect these deep water fish?
With more and more companies going overseas in order to save money on labor and to dance around safety regulations this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I am sure there will be some people will argue that no one is holding a gun to these divers heads but I am sure they are just trying to put food on their families table whatever way they can.
Any idea how much they get paid to collect these deep water fish?
clarionreef
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Filio,
I understand your initial, logical impulse, but understand the reality of it.
The divers are paid fixed salaries...not by the piece.
They do not want to risk their lives daily, have no incentive to do so and choose not to if not threatened by withholding salary!
Thats right...withholding salary.
Filipinos stuck in the South Pacific with expired return tickets* and no salary cannot survive very well...as the exporters so very well know.
To increase the culpability of the "Americans" forcing this terrible situation...consider that they are well versed in decompression physics and Datelines boss was even a commercial diver in Hawaii for many years.
He understands nitrogen narcosis, the bends, bone neucrosis and air embolism very, very well. Playing Russian roulette with this is incredibly selfish and greedy as they know full well what tiny margins of security there is in pressuring less educated men into a "working depth" of 150 feet!
Only Filipinos are at risk as they were brought in instead of developing and training local people. No local Tongan or Vanuatuans are in these depths. So, if the Filipino dies, they can just send him...and the problem back to the Philippines in a box. One diver noted that he has no return ticket....unless he dies.
If a local dies, there would be hell to pay as the exporter would be considered liable.
The education of all this is underway however and all the Filipinos there have been contacted with information....which is also why there are resignations are underway.
Steve
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Expired return tickets are often used to control the divers. If they are held back for another tour of duty, the tickets will expire. They are assured however that they will be taken care of and not to worry.
But, if any disagreement should arise, the divers are to understand that they will not be getting a "free ticket" now. Manufacturing a disagreement to change the situation is a slick little tactic un-thought of by the divers when they are signing on to work.
Some are held very much against their will but see no way out except to play the game, behave and hope for the best forfeiting all their leverage to the exporters holding all the cards.
Well, I guess this is what you can expect from exporters who even supply their divers with crowbars and hammers to crush corals to collect flame hawks. No cyanide of course....just crushed corals all along the forereef from one end of the island to the next.
I understand your initial, logical impulse, but understand the reality of it.
The divers are paid fixed salaries...not by the piece.
They do not want to risk their lives daily, have no incentive to do so and choose not to if not threatened by withholding salary!
Thats right...withholding salary.
Filipinos stuck in the South Pacific with expired return tickets* and no salary cannot survive very well...as the exporters so very well know.
To increase the culpability of the "Americans" forcing this terrible situation...consider that they are well versed in decompression physics and Datelines boss was even a commercial diver in Hawaii for many years.
He understands nitrogen narcosis, the bends, bone neucrosis and air embolism very, very well. Playing Russian roulette with this is incredibly selfish and greedy as they know full well what tiny margins of security there is in pressuring less educated men into a "working depth" of 150 feet!
Only Filipinos are at risk as they were brought in instead of developing and training local people. No local Tongan or Vanuatuans are in these depths. So, if the Filipino dies, they can just send him...and the problem back to the Philippines in a box. One diver noted that he has no return ticket....unless he dies.
If a local dies, there would be hell to pay as the exporter would be considered liable.
The education of all this is underway however and all the Filipinos there have been contacted with information....which is also why there are resignations are underway.
Steve
*
Expired return tickets are often used to control the divers. If they are held back for another tour of duty, the tickets will expire. They are assured however that they will be taken care of and not to worry.
But, if any disagreement should arise, the divers are to understand that they will not be getting a "free ticket" now. Manufacturing a disagreement to change the situation is a slick little tactic un-thought of by the divers when they are signing on to work.
Some are held very much against their will but see no way out except to play the game, behave and hope for the best forfeiting all their leverage to the exporters holding all the cards.
Well, I guess this is what you can expect from exporters who even supply their divers with crowbars and hammers to crush corals to collect flame hawks. No cyanide of course....just crushed corals all along the forereef from one end of the island to the next.
clarionreef
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...like call immigration the day before payday?
Now they are catching up to this...but they are more naive then anything.
Tonga duty starts out the best job they have ever had....and for some, then becomes too good to be true.
My best friend in this has been there for two years away from familiy w/ no way home... which we will be changing now.
His original deal was to go home every 6 months.
So, they lied to him in the beginning and now he knows. He stayed because he is owed 3 months of back despite constant work. He also knows that if he leaves he may not get paid at all...and if he doesn't leave, he will only get paid if he signs on for another year without going home.
This cheating and manipulating them needs to be seen for what it is.
THESE GUYS ALL CONVERTED FROM CYANIDE FISHING and should get a little more respect then this.
Steve
Now they are catching up to this...but they are more naive then anything.
Tonga duty starts out the best job they have ever had....and for some, then becomes too good to be true.
My best friend in this has been there for two years away from familiy w/ no way home... which we will be changing now.
His original deal was to go home every 6 months.
So, they lied to him in the beginning and now he knows. He stayed because he is owed 3 months of back despite constant work. He also knows that if he leaves he may not get paid at all...and if he doesn't leave, he will only get paid if he signs on for another year without going home.
This cheating and manipulating them needs to be seen for what it is.
THESE GUYS ALL CONVERTED FROM CYANIDE FISHING and should get a little more respect then this.
Steve
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