Pissed! Ich breakout from RF Fish

[Chiefmcfuz]

Sorry about the MYstery Wrasse how are the other fish doing?

 

[marrone]

Sorry to hear, mystery wrasse is one of my favarite too.



It also has to deal with how long before the free swimming ick can find the host fromt he time they come from the bottom of the tank. Therefore, if the fish is not sleeping or hanging around the bottom of the tank, where there are abandance of the free swimming ick, they are less likely to attract ick. Therefore, a lot of the times, by using a high power canister filter, provided you set it up correctly, will help to reduce the number of free swimming ick and crysts during an outbreak of ick.

Definitely true, if you can have a filter that can pull in the cysts, before they hatch, you will have a good chance of reducing the amount if ich in the tank. As the cysts hatch, and move into the free-swimming phase, the filter mayn't be much help, unless it has a micron type filter.


As whether the fish can get more ich if it's on the bottom of tank, well once the ich goes into the free-swimming phase it's all around the tank, not just the bottom, specially with all the water movement in the tank. So even though the ich may hatch near the bottom of the tank, once hatched it's all over the tank.

 

[marrone]

Ich is not a disease, but parasites have a constant war with the immune systems of their hosts.

-Alfred

An immune system is not going to get rid of ich, what it will do is keep the fish strong as the ich is attacking it's body. If the fish isn't strong it will die from the damage the ich will do to it's body. Unless the ich is killed or remove it will keep cycling back around and eventually the fish will die from it.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

As whether the fish can get more ich if it's on the bottom of tank, well once the ich goes into the free-swimming phase it's all around the tank, not just the bottom, specially with all the water movement in the tank. So even though the ich may hatch near the bottom of the tank, once hatched it's all over the tank.

True that they are all over the tank and couple studies do show that the density of them are more at the bottom than the top of the tank and that some spieces have less than a day(the life span at this stage also depends on temperature) to find a host before they die. The filter acts as both filter them away from the main display tank and slow them down in finding the host.

 

[marrone]

True that they are all over the tank and couple studies do show that the density of them are more at the bottom than the top of the tank and that some spieces have less than a day(the life span at this stage also depends on temperature) to find a host before they die. The filter acts as both filter them away from the main display tank and slow them down in finding the host.

The really question is the life span the ich has, once hatched, and how long the cysts can survive, without hatching, before it dies. It seems some ich can last for quite some time, once hatched, and a lot of cysts can actually survive for over a month before they die. That's why if you're going to use copper or Hypos you need to treat for an extended period or you may just have a reoccurrences.

 

[Deanos]

Actually, ich is not present in our "aquariums" at all times, it is present in most aquarium fish at all times.

Wouldn't this mean the most tanks have Ich all the time? Especially since Ich has several non-fish stages requiring an 'aquarium' environment.

In the home aquarium if ich is present, it will just keep multiplying and the fish will get more and more infected.

The articles and magazines I've read, claim Ich's viability will decline over time, to the point of extinction if no new specimens (parasites) are introduced to the closed system (aquarium). Here's an excerpt from the article linked earlier:

"The presence of aging cell lines in C. irritans suggests that an aquarium that has been running for longer than 12 months without any additions is unlikely to have any surviving "Ich" parasites, yet another exception to "Ich" always being present."

some spieces have less than a day(the life span at this stage also depends on temperature) to find a host before they die.

There's more than one species of Cryptocaryon irritans? :scratch:

 

[marrone]

The articles and magazines I've read, claim Ich's viability will decline over time, to the point of extinction if no new specimens (parasites) are introduced to the closed system (aquarium). Here's an excerpt from the article linked earlier:

"The presence of aging cell lines in C. irritans suggests that an aquarium that has been running for longer than 12 months without any additions is unlikely to have any surviving "Ich" parasites, yet another exception to "Ich" always being present."

I think the problem is having ich in your tank, for up to 12 months, will most likely kill [FONT=&quot][/FONT]off your fish. Though some fish maybe able to fight it off a lot will succumb to it. I would think any new source of food(fish) would keep the ich going. You see this in a lot of tanks, that have had ich in the past and never got rid of it. It usually raise it's ugly head when a new fish is introduced.

 

[inkblue]

bad F'N news,

and i am pissed off to a T,

my mystery wrasse is DEAD!

:arg:

 

[charliethetuna88]

hey guys i noticed my hippo has white spots im thinking iche i have tryed to catch them buts it impossible with all the rock i added 5 cleaner shrimp and they seem to not really be doing anything but i did add one cleaner wrasse and man he is going to town on the hippo and the hippo is loving it do u think this will work

 

[bizarrecorals]

Dosnt matter which lfs you bought it from, always qt.. Don't throw in the qt after the outbreak, is easier to prevent than cure, shouldn't blame it on the person you got it from.

 

[nyc reefer]

Ich Outbrake

True, its easier to QT than fight it once its in the tank. I had a similar issue last winter after introducing a hippo. I fought it with chemicals and many water changes, a couple of loses. Good luck....

 

[prattreef]

Can we all please note that everything in this thread prior to Charlie's post is from 2006. Still useful info no doubt, but any shops or personalities involved are irrelevant at this point.

 

[bizarrecorals]

Lol, a new owner took over this store, much better management now