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Ok so the answer to my question is NO, please stay on topic.


Is there a point you need to make by switching your original question from this
Just answer me this. How many times have you been in a nuclear facility? Toured the grounds the control centers and reactors? How many reactors have you been in?
to specifically power plant ones?

Is there something you want to tell us about difference between different types of reactors?


Research nuclear reactor's control is as complex as the power plant ones. Both type of reactors are as dangerous as the other except for the volume of material.
 
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I did not change my question. I clarified it specifically to your original post. I have been in all. I have played a role in the evacuation plan in Westchester County. I know the dangers but the security and safety of these plants has been stepped up considerably and people like you don't want to think about the ramifications of eliminating the plants. Call Cuomo and Ventura and have your witch hunt. If you close all of these plants tomorrow the risk to the safety of the general public is multiplied by at least 10 due to the breaking down of the structures and more importantly the relocation of radioactive materials to a disposal site somewhere in the middle of the country. You also have the problem of not being able to use the land for many years so that pretty much eliminates using the land for any type of replacement facility. Then take into consideration the people you are impacting by taking their jobs and community away. The only solution is to move to mars. Want me to check for a one way ticket for you?
 
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...If you close all of these plants tomorrow the risk to the safety of the general public is multiplied by at least 10 due to the breaking down of the structures and more importantly the relocation of radioactive materials to a disposal site somewhere in the middle of the country. You also have the problem of not being able to use the land for many years so that pretty much eliminates using the land for any type of replacement facility....
Wow! All very good arguments against the use of nuclear energy! Good job.
 
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I think they highlight some of the inherent dangers in setting up nuclear facilities. You end up with risks that cannot be mitigated.
1. risk to the safety of the general public is multiplied by at least 10 due to the breaking down of the structures
2. relocation of radioactive materials to a disposal site somewhere in the middle of the country (raises concerns not just for the disposal site but also the transport of the materials)
3. not being able to use the land for many years so that pretty much eliminates using the land for any type of replacement facility
as explained by chiefmcfuz
 

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I disagree. Things are built with cost consideration for maintenance and upkeep. Nuclear facilities are not temporary.

And the discussion is about "Banning Nuclear" not "Banning future nuclear facilities"

Two different discussions. Banning nuclear would require existing facilities to shut down that were intended to be permanent. Hence the risks noted above.
 
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Things are built with cost consideration for maintenance and upkeep.
This is acceptable if the lifespan is considerable
Nuclear facilities are not temporary.
I agree
And the discussion is about "Banning Nuclear" not "Banning future nuclear facilities"

Two different discussions. Banning nuclear would require existing facilities to shut down that were intended to be permanent. Hence the risks noted above.

I disagree. Things are built with cost consideration for maintenance and upkeep. Nuclear facilities are not temporary.

And the discussion is about "Banning Nuclear" not "Banning future nuclear facilities"

Two different discussions. Banning nuclear would require existing facilities to shut down that were intended to be permanent. Hence the risks noted above.
IMO, because of the nature of nuclear facilities, banning (existing facilities) would not necessarily mean a complete shutdown but changing the mode from active production to maintenance (to limit safety concerns). It becomes a perpetual cost.
 
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I agree you can safely decommission nuke plants if needed so let's not get too much further off topic.

My argument is that the "no nukes" campaign in this country years ago lead to our nation to rely on coal burning plants for the majority of our electricity. Coal is much less efficient and produces MUCH more waste than nuclear. Coal mining is a dangerous job. Alot of people have died down there.

The ironic thing is the people who campaigned against nuclear energy years ago tend to be the same people who are worked up over carbon waste and global warming.
 
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Technology will always be years ahead of controls and so will always create risk. There will always be new threats and unforseen events which test controls, and new controls will be created to deal with new threats. Unfortunately this also includes nuclear technology whose safety controls are designed around Design basis-accidents. Though improbable, Beyond Design-basis accidents are still a concern.
 
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First, I adore your service as a brave man.

... and people like you don't want to think about the ramifications of eliminating the plants. ...
Why do you assume so, when our lab stopped the reactor, we even have to use robot to do the job because of the danger involved. Why you think I do not know the danger and other ramifications, including jobs and such, of stopping them?

If you close all of these plants tomorrow the risk to the safety of the general public is multiplied by at least 10 due to the breaking down of the structures and more importantly the relocation of radioactive materials to a disposal site somewhere in the middle of the country. You also have the problem of not being able to use the land for many years so that pretty much eliminates using the land for any type of replacement facility. Then take into consideration the people you are impacting by taking their jobs and community away.
That's why they should not be in there in the first place like I suggested in the first post. Corporates rushed to it carelessly because of arrogance and greed. Not because they try to be green nor responsible of the future waste. Therefore, we cannot make same mistakes 104 times over and go into the 105th times until we really know what we are doing. Furthermore, I did not say nor think shutting everything down tomorrow is a solution ever. Even shutting them down need planning. I am not so stupid.

The only solution is to move to mars.
There is another way of managing the waste if they planned ahead. Spent fuel can be recycled. US is the major nuclear country who do not think of the long term disposal of the waste. Couple other countries do recycling of the waste and kept the foot print small. Recycling increase cost to about 5-6 percent. So, even though mining uranium is much unhealthier to the miners than most, if not all, other kinds of energy sources due to the Radon gas, the utility companies in US continue to mine new fuel and pile the spent ones up in the plant. The nuclear piled up in the all plants can power US for at 12-15 years. With reducing cost being a high priority, cleaning up of the mines are largely ignored that hundreds of nuclear mines are abandoned in Navajo Nation, Idaho, Utah and some other states posing SERIOUS health hazards in the area. It is simply because the corporates want to save money, not that they cannot do a better job.
 
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... Though improbable, Beyond Design-basis accidents are still a concern...


This is the kind of problems starting to surface when debate about nuclear safety is at heat. The public generally do not realize one of our nearby reactor has only 4 hours of battery life. 4 hours of battery does even save our reef tank in case of a black out not to mention we are talking about backing up reactors with devastation of great magnitude. This is simple logic. A lot of so called Beyond Design-basis accidents can be avoided if we are more careful.
 
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No those are the risks of decommissioning nuclear sites. Big difference.
Under the current tradition of the how US nuclear plants manage their spent fuel, continue running the nuclear sites share the SAME risk as decommissioning the sites because spent fuel are just kept at the current site. This add more risk liability to the site as the pile grows bigger. Decommissioning the site, will stop it from adding more spent fuel, then we are only dealing with what's left there.
 
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Can you edit please? I do not understand what you are trying to say.


Excuse me for my poor communication ability. I have edited the post, hope you understand what I mean.

No those are the risks of decommissioning nuclear sites. Big difference.
Under the current tradition of the how US nuclear plants manage their spent fuel, continue running the nuclear sites share the SAME risk as decommissioning the sites because spent fuel are just kept at the current site. This add more risk liability to the site as the pile grows bigger. Decommissioning the site, will stop it from adding more spent fuel, then we are only dealing with what's left there.
 
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Folks... didn't read the entire thread, but I don't see this issue as particularly complicated.

Nuclear plants ARE dangerous (you cannot dispute this, even if they are well regulated and well maintained), the resulting waste cannot be recycled, etc. If you actually care, support wind and solar energy, and put your money where your mouth is. Yes, this is an option. Talk to your energy provider, or find an Esco that supplies green energy.
 

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