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What's with the TEENS? Do they deserve to get paid any less than an adult for doing the same work? I don't think so.

Pay a fair rate. Ask yourself if it was you, how much would you charge?

In this heat i think the courtesy is to give a little more, at least that's what i would do.
 
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What's with the TEENS? Do they deserve to get paid any less than an adult for doing the same work? I don't think so.

Pay a fair rate. Ask yourself if it was you, how much would you charge?

In this heat i think the courtesy is to give a little more, at least that's what i would do.


Interesting that you have assumed that TEENs are being paid less.
 
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Wingo i am not assuming, but that's what this thread is implying, at least to me. Perhaps i'm reading between the lines, but i don't think so.

How much would you charge? , just curious.
 
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Wingo i am not assuming, but that's what this thread is implying, at least to me. Perhaps i'm reading between the lines, but i don't think so.

How much would you charge? , just curious.


Well, I will address "your assuming or not" and "why you are assuming or not" when I tell the rest of the story tonight because I have a whole lot to say or for us to think about.

If it requires hand truck or other tools, I would ask for $15/hour and if just with bare hands and products are not too fragile(nothing to do with weight) during moving, $10/hr.
 
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If it requires hand truck or other tools, I would ask for $15/hour and if just with bare hands and products are not too fragile(nothing to do with weight) during moving, $10/hr.

Ok cool, so there's your answer, now i look forward to the rest of the story.

Are you available to do apt moves? For $120/8hr i might just hire you, that's a bargain. Deal? lol
 
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10 an hour? call me I've got plenty of work for you :)


JHale, my good friend, I help you no matter what whenever I am available. Forget about pay, just an after party. But I thought you take pride in your apt. Why would you be thinking of moving? Edit: I see you mean you have work, not moving your own house.


Pedro, no problem, deal but make sure it fits my schedule. Remember whenever I need tools, such as hand truck or moving fish tanks(fragile) it's $15/hr.
 
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there is always the issue of skilled vs. unskilled labor. Moving boxes is monkey work and unless the items are heavy and there is a chance of injury the pay is decided by the skills required and who is performing. Also, day laborers or "Mexicans" as it was so eloquently put are anywhere from 120-150. I was just talking about this with 2 different contractors today by chance.
 
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:sigh: Can we close this thread already?! :grumpy:

Sorry to bore you.

What makes you so interested in closing this thread(it's only like one day)-there are still many people who are in business has not read this thread yet. People are objective and friendly discussing in this thread. No bashing nor alike.

Anyway I am closing my story tonight as promised.


That's what I said that day, "Guys who have asked me to give you jobs come over. My friend have a truck coming over tomorrow, each box is weighting from 10lb to the most 100lbs. So I will need 4 to 5 persons. The heavy ones will be handled by me and some SKILLED workers(LFS-I used the exact word. I expect to hire 2 more SKILLED workers at corners of the street where they usually stick around.) The others, you guys handle. I will pay $10/hrs (which is same for me-my friend pay me the same) with a minimum of 2 to 4 hours so that you won't waste time walking 2 blocks and make only $10 bucks" The TEENS rushed over and said "yes I would do it." So arrangement of time and location are set. Next day, when the truck came, only one of the TEEN came(it happended that he is also a MR member.) Note: I have knowledge how inexperienced these TEENs who accepted the offer because I hired them to move speakers and such before.
So my friend has to hire just about anyone around the truck to work. Same offer all the time-$10/hr. One passing-by person, dressed like a construction worker, asked if we need laborer. I said. "Yes, $10.00/hr and minimum 4 hrs." He gladly accepts and put on his waist belt. But the progress is so slow then when 2 muscular persons, who looked to me SKILLED laborer and strong, asked me, " $10/hr, I can move your stuff in no time" I said of course.

Result: 1)The TEENS my friend hired moved stuff at a rate, let say, S1
2)The guy in belt is 1.5 times S1
3)The 2 muscular guys, 4 times of S1. They are not only fast, powerful, skilled and very enduring. They even teach the MR TEEN how to use the hand truck in turning around the house/I taught him how to pile the boxes appropriate for the hand truck and how to shuffle the hand truck in one stroke and tilt it little effort.
4)I myself is around 3 time S1
5)EVERYONE gets same pay except at the end I told my friend to give $20 tips to each the later two guys because they are fast and SKILLED.

I come back to the cafe and asked those TEENS why they didn't show up. They said they EXPECTED to get more. So I asked, "How Much?" They say like $30 for 2 hours. I then asked them how much their father(kind of skilled) is making in construction? Mostly $100 a day. I asked them why they think you should get higher pay than their skilled fathers. "I value my time more" are their answers.

My points:
1)Many people who applied for a job are not valuing their own skills or experience, qualifications to the job. As seen with the TEENS whom my friend hired.

2)Many people who applied for a job are valuing their likings or willingness more than the qualifictions to the job. The TEENS who accepted my offer.

2)TEENs are ever growingly value their free time much more than anything else. That's propably why we have such a hard time to tell our own kids to do certain things.

3)Skilled or not skilled workers does not necessarily know thier fair market value. The 2 muscle guys who happends to be adult. They are as least twice the speed of the guy in belt. Theya re not doing me a favor, they just simply think that they worth $10/hr. Obviously they do not value their time as much as the TEENS. I did not make the offer, they started to offer me at a rate which I think is lower than average. That's why I asked my friend to give them a $20 tips each.

4)I seemed to have lost touch with the nowaday TEENS' expectations even though I fool around with them all the time. So I started this thread to see if you guys fall for the same. Parents take notice.


Deano close the thread after one more post that I am going to address Pedro
 
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Pedro,

Let me change just one word in the question and see if you feel the same about the assuming thing

1)What you think a woman would expect to make for this kind of work?
2)What would you offer?

1)What you think a man would expect to make for this kind of work?
2)What would you offer?

1)What you think I would expect to make for this kind of work?
2)What would you offer?

1)What you think a teenager would expect to make for this kind of work?
2)What would you offer?

In all 4 versions of the questions, do you feel the same about someone being offered less(OR MORE)? I think the word itself has misled a lot of us but more importantly it's our own mind set that had misled ourselves. It's true, we got misled by certainss words(even though they are not demeaning at all) when they are in certain context.

Deano, you may close the thread. Are you bored to death already?:Up_to_som HAHAHAHA

BTW thanks for everyone who are patient enough to follow my B.....S
 
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Oh My, Wingo, wtf? :splitspin:splitspin:splitspin:splitspin

Nice story though.:biglaugh:
 

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Sorry to bore you.

What makes you so interested in closing this thread(it's only like one day)-there are still many people who are in business has not read this thread yet. People are objective and friendly discussing in this thread. No bashing nor alike.

Seriously why would this be subject to close, its just a friendly discussion posted in the correct forum.....
 

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Obviously, the thread is still open...:rolleyes:

:sigh: People question when threads are closed, now they question while they're still open. :confused:

Thanks for your contribution to this conversation on the expected labor pay for a teenager.
 

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Obviously, the thread is still open...:rolleyes:

:sigh: People question when threads are closed, now they question while they're still open. :confused:

Thanks for your contribution to this conversation on the expected labor pay for a teenager.

Sarcasm not needed, why is it you always seemed bothered by everything, I may be wrong.... I dont think anyone uses :rolleyes: or :sigh: more then you.....it was a simple question "why the rush to close it?". Nevermind mind though its all good, your reasons are your own, Wingo sorry for the hijack carry on.

Love, peace and chicken grease!
 
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