Pigeon Kidnappers

[jhale]

Again the point was missed, show me the anti-hunting comments in the thread please I did not see any. I consider hunting when you go out, hunt and bring something back to eat, so perhaps there's a difference of definitions here. My question was what do people get out of killing an animal just for fun? Your not eating it so stop with the supermarket analogies.
LFS you do realize your on a site where the majority of people like and respect animals. You should not be surprised when people react to shooting birds for the fun of it in a negative way.

 

[duke62]

the point of this whole thread was the trapping of pigeons in nets and being shipped somewhere for "target practice" its really about getting rid of a major pest that carries disease to human beings.if any one knows a humane as you say way of controlling the pigeon population stop complaining on this thread and call a local politician or write to him/her.but for now i agree with the way they handle the pigeon problem.maybe when someone gets sick from these animals they will feel differently thats what usually happens when it hits home then thyll want something done

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Hey I don't eat Pigeons and I certainly don't like pigeons, and well lets face it I don't shoot pigeons but if someone were to offer you a pigeon burger would you actually eat it? BLEH!! On a lighter note if they need to export pigeons to other pars of the country so that they can have them in their cities and towns, we got plenty to spare in NY :lol2: As a matter of fact it could help probably give tax rebates to people in nyc if we sold them to other cities!

 

[jhale]

I would not eat a pigeon burger either but I did find a Italian pigeon soup recipe that looks tasty http://www.lifeinitaly.com/venetian-cooking/recipes/detail.asp?itemID=92&pageNum=1

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Yes jon but those are imported pigeons :lol2:

 

[jhale]

yeah I've seen them at stores in the city, they are not cheap. There's not much meat on even the largest of pigeons.

 

[crox99]

Yes jon but those are imported pigeons :lol2:

I believe they are farm raised.

 

[crox99]

yeah I've seen them at stores in the city, they are not cheap. There's not much meat on even the largest of pigeons.

But they taste pretty good. I love them stuffed.

 

[LeslieS]

well look if you trap them and set them loose somewhere else they will reproduce and where they are relocated will cause problems elsewhere.

Good Point

there were several anti hunting comments

Where?

Trapping pigeons with nets does not control the population. As I said and witnessed. They feed a hundred to catch twenty.

Also, the point of this thread has nothing to do with hunting wild game. The point is that this is an illegal act, and in addition the birds are being used in an unsporting manner.

And no, I am not a vegan. Yes, growing up I did personally know almost every animal I ate as well as all the poor little vegetables in our garden. So sad...killing all those string beans...Unfortunately that is not practical in the city so I only buy organic free range animal products including eggs.

we got plenty to spare in NY :lol2: As a matter of fact it could help probably give tax rebates to people in nyc if we sold them to other cities!

They are definitely free range, but I wonder if eating garbage qualifies them for organic :smile:

 

[duke62]

even if they catch 2 it contols the population it prevents them from mating and turning 2 birds into 10

 

[lfsmarineguy]

J, you yourself were the first to make an antihunting comment (and yes this falls under the umbrella of hunting). According to your definition of hunting, everytime you go to the supermarket you are hunting (you even used the word in it's own definition). Contrary to what you would like to believe, hunters are not a bunch of blood thirsty, hick, animal haters who enjoy the slaughter of animals (which begs the question what kind of a person gets a job working for a chicken/ cow processing plant killing them for your consumption?). Yes, in fact we do eat a lot of what we take, I have a freezer upstate filled with venison and a few pheasants that I take back with me since I don't have room for it all. I was merely defending something that I happen to be a part of that you were so quick to denounce knowing nothing about it. Hunter organizations such as Ducks Unlimited produce more funds for rebuilding and preserving wild habitats than the government does, which is more than I can say for this hobby. Yes, I do realize exactly what website I am on, you can't just say hunters have no respect or don't like animals. To play the devil's advocate here, our hobby is incredibly destructive. We take animals from their homes and place them in a glass box in our house under suboptimal conditions where, for most of them, they will die only to be quickly replaced by the next. We keep our reefs solely out of selfish enjoyment. What kind of respect is that? You are so quick to vilify hunters you need to get off your pedistal it is undeserved. Also, "pigeons" are actually what is commonly known as a "Rock Dove" they are in the same family as doves, both of which are game birds. If you think doves have little meat try and find a Quail, they are bitesize.

You cannot relocate pest animals because they will only reproduce in a non-native environment causing problems. Much like releasing our fish or plants into bodies of water around here. You can introduce diseases that can wipe out the animals you want. look at the zebra mussels in the great lakes or cabomba on Long Island even.

 

[duke62]

im a hunter but this is not a hunting thread.we are talking about getting rid of a pest that is overpopulated in the cities.lets not create a whole hunting anti hunting argumentcause we will be here for days.

 

[lfsmarineguy]

I was just defending it since some people were making it out to be some sort of crime. Leslie posted about the pigeons, I posted since I know exactly what goes on and then some people over simplified it and I defended it. Other people took it in that direction I was just responding.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Good Point



Where?

Trapping pigeons with nets does not control the population. As I said and witnessed. They feed a hundred to catch twenty.

Also, the point of this thread has nothing to do with hunting wild game. The point is that this is an illegal act, and in addition the birds are being used in an unsporting manner.

And no, I am not a vegan. Yes, growing up I did personally know almost every animal I ate as well as all the poor little vegetables in our garden. So sad...killing all those string beans...Unfortunately that is not practical in the city so I only buy organic free range animal products including eggs.



They are definitely free range, but I wonder if eating garbage qualifies them for organic :smile:

I am COMPLETELY in for ALL LeslieS has to say in this thread. There are also valid points of others including JHale and LFS but I think LFS you must have missed what Jhale said. I did not find any comment he made is anti hunting(according to his definition) His comment is about killing animals (1)JUST for fun AND (2)not eating them is wrong. The conditions have to be together. You were talking about we should not criticize about killing animals or hunting while we also evetnually kill them as long as we eat meat. But the conditions are not the same bewteen your point and his.

I found that putting them elsewhere , as suggested by DUke, and have them die over somewhere else is not a meaningful measure at all. If you know how the virus and diease spread, you would know what I mean. If you do insist that the pigeons are so dangerous(which DOH advised otherwise), spreading them to another area would only cause more problem as a whole(may be just not in front of you). I understand that you work in close contact with these animals(and high concentration of thier faeces) and thus makes you more sensitive to their harm to human. However, according to some biologists and DOH controlling insect population is way more beneficial since pigeons don't bite as long as you leave them alone.

Each department of the government reacts to pigeons issue differently. Ask Waterplant, Chief and DOH or Dept of Garden and Recreation, they probably can tell you VERY DIFFERENT views on the pigeon issue. I asked people from all 3 departments already and waiting the dept of agriculture to reply. Don't be surprised that the answers could 100% opposite of each other.

 

[LeslieS]

OK, if you hate pigeons and see someone taking them from the park, give him a big thank you and slap on the back.

If you do not hate pigeons and see someone taking them from the park, please tell the park police as this is a crime they are interested in stopping.

Mods, please close this thread.

Thanks,
Leslie

 

[LeslieS]

p.s. Wingo...my hero....:flirt:

p.p.s. Don't everyone go getting on my case about all the string beans I ate. Sadly, they were grown in or against little metal frames to make them easier to pick. Does that count as cages? Actually, the peas were too....Oh the shame.....

 

[jhale]

LFS, I don't understand why you can't get what I'm saying.
I think killing animals for sport is wrong, if you kill it eat it.
Don't shoot it and then throw it away. That in my eyes is disrespectful,
I do not know how I can make that any clearer.
I did not make any anti-hunter remarks, it seems your a bit sensitive to the subject. I'm not arguing against hunting, Duke is right this will go on forever so I'll let it go. As for keeping reefs your correct on all those points. We are not killing the animals though, at least not on purpose.
and please refrain from making wide ranging asumptions about what you think people know and don't know, you don't know, you know
how about the next MR bbq we buy some pigeons and share them together.

 

[duke62]

i didnt say ship them somewhere else.im all for killing these disease carring birds. i was diagnosed with asthma when i was a kid and the direct cause so said columbia pryspetarian hospital was pigeons.there was a pigeon coupe on next door neighbors house and old man on other side of street would feed the wild ones everyday.and when i became an ironworker i was cutting out a beam and it had a pigeons coupe "which pigeons make out of there own feces" and i set it a blaze and i inhaled it i was treated for a lung infection which put me out of work for a month.so who cares what happens to these birds if someone wants to catch a handful everyday and eat them i say at least these birds have some sort of purpose.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

i didnt say ship them somewhere else.im all for killing these disease carring birds. i was diagnosed with asthma when i was a kid and the direct cause so said columbia pryspetarian hospital was pigeons.there was a pigeon coupe on next door neighbors house and old man on other side of street would feed the wild ones everyday.and when i became an ironworker i was cutting out a beam and it had a pigeons coupe "which pigeons make out of there own feces" and i set it a blaze and i inhaled it i was treated for a lung infection which put me out of work for a month.so who cares what happens to these birds if someone wants to catch a handful everyday and eat them i say at least these birds have some sort of purpose.

I wish you well and get better with your illness.

So now you know next time to water down the dirt instead of firing it up. There are instructions from DOH as to how to safely remove them. Suggest your boss to bill the customer yet another job money the customer should pay.

 

[lfsmarineguy]

I grew up hunting and I get very protective of it whenever it is mentioned in a way that seems to over simplify or denounce it. We do eat what we kill, but we can only take so much lol the rest is sent to companies that distribute it to soup kitchens, so it isn't just thrown out. It also happens that hunting encompasses several very heated topics so it tends to get people going. When I said that our livestock dies I was talking more about the general public or the royal we. Not by any stretch the members here ...(for the most part). I was, as I said, just playing the devils advocate. We all know there are people out there that don't care how long itlives as long as it looks nice and know nothing of how to care for it. As with anything there are those people who are responsible and should represent what it means to be a reefer/ hunter (or whatever) and then there are those people who exhibit the behaviors we see as the darker side. Unfortunately it is often those we don't want to that end up being the representatives.