Yeah its an optional service. I offer it openly to everyone and its their choice to use or not.It seems to be catching on at a decent pace, but not at forest fire speed. I think once the site is online and people can get a hands on experience it will really take off. I talk to my web designer about 2 to 3 times daily trying to facilitate but its just plain hard to get people to keep their commitments.There are tons of sites for this hobby but this one will be unique.
Thoughts on National Coral Registry
- Thread starter Len
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I let this post get by me without giving it proper attention. Yes unless there are people that want their corals to have their name attached I cannot register. Also I will not register a coral 2nd hand. I hate to use Tyree's name lightly because he does have a great reputation so I will not use him as a reference point. Here is a case point. if you were to buy a coral from Farmer John (who is famous) and said I want to register my farmer john coral I cannot do it. even with a sales receipt.if Farmer John wants to attach his name to the coral it would be up to him to register. If I were to register it to you, it would be a coral with your own name on it.this keeps people from registering every lookalike coral to a famous farmers name and with his reputation attached to it. the NCRA tracks lineage back to verifiable sources and will not register second party names.A man can only register his own corals and not mix and match to the famous stuff thats out there. Back to Steve Tyree's name, I have a Tyree Red Watermelon that has a pretty solid lineage back to Tyree ,but I can't register it as a Tyree Red Watermelon. the fact is I can't prove it and I have an incredibly sweet red watermelon that rocks my tank.sfsuphysics":2vi2qdib said:
It is funny, because this is the same reason given on the PBS Newshour last night for why these people want to get all these pot pharmacies shut down in their neighborhoods.Ben":3dwvwco9 said:
They were saying that names like AK47 and Purple Headsmasher or whatever tended to make them take the medicinal value alot less
seriously. But the real main idea they wanted to get across is that they simply did not want the aPOTthecary shop in their neighborhoods
or NIMBY and alot of them clearly had narcophobic-religious problems with the whole idea in the first place. Of course, I am sure they
would be more than willing to spend the tax revenue in their schools. But I digress with another stab at puss-a$$ politically correct America.
Yeah, I remember when it was just a orange zooantid with blue tentacles. As some of you know, I am just now getting back into the hobby, having wasted my money in the interim on Cuban cigars. But I was extrememly discouraged to see that there had been such a proliferation of these BS names.
Sorry, but no matter how you "legit" it up, you are only adding to the problems that the hobby isNatlCoralRegistry":2djcc6u3 said:
experiencing. This is but one man's opinion, so do not feel mass-attacked. But the collecting of "rare" items is what
has the impact on coral reefs teetering constantly on the edge of sustainability. If it ain't ocean conditions, it's
unsustainable, backwards collection techniques. Oh if that were the only problem. Where there is uniqueness, there
is money, where there is money, there is prestige, and where there is money and prestige there is a drive to supply
the market with as many rare items as can be found, faked or smuggled. I DO see where your arguments could sound
to people like you are just doing the benevolent thing or trying to save people from 'coral identity theft' or something,
but you are too heavily invested in your own rhetoric to see that you will become pure oxygen for the fire. And in the
long run, it hurts the consumer in the pocketbook. Conversely, IT DOES kickstart the frag trade some, so someone
will benefit. Well, two someone's...don't want to leave YOU out. I am sure this board is about 80 percent consumer
hobbyists and 20 percent trade-related people, so there will be a range of opinions, but not too many hobbyists will like it.
Now to be fair, in an increasingly less industrial economy, those that can INVENT a job and get paid to do it
will always be fine. I make 3D animated TV commercials in my pajamas.
Now to be even fairer, this is coming, the cat is out of the naming bag, and there will be no stopping what comes next.
Perhaps in the long run you will provide a invaluable service to hobbyists everywhere, but a carpet-bagger is a
carpet-bagger. That is a little harsh, but if what you are proposing doesn't ADD to the naming frenzy and drive up prices,
I will eat my hat in a live webcast. :wink:
I also should apologize in advance because it would appear that you know enough about coral species to be able to
look at a coral and name the taxonomy. I am just a hobbyist with limited knowledge. I know the species of the
animals I am interested in, and that is about it. Good luck, anyway, I am sure it is a load to deal with. And sorry to
rant and rave, but this is one of my new pet peeves, the naming, not the registry. I sincerely wish you luck with the
latter. May you prove me wrong several times over.
wow, you guys have really got alot on your mind!!!!! There is really not that much to it. Simple lineage. Being able to trace your coral back to the original supplier. Thats all.We do encourage captive breeding and propagation ahead of everything else. I think part of the anxiety here is everyone is trying much too hard to establish sinister motives. The coral farmers themselves don't pay anything. The people registering their coral pay 6.00. When you consider the fact the NCRA supplies a professionally printed registration, maintains the database,pays postage and envelopes, pays for backup archiving and all the other costs associated with the process (not to mention the time it takes) you will see that the money made is actually less than a dollar a certificate.So considering it takes around 15 minutes to do the colony registration,frag certs, addressing of the envelope you can do the math and see that its a pretty break even deal.I don't think there are many guys around that will work for 4 bucks an hour.It is primarily a service and not a cash drive. The revenues for the site will eventually come through the auction site which by the way is also currently free.To answer the question posed earlier, I will not let a second party register a Tyree Coral or anybody elses name for that matter. This registry tracks the lineage to the person who registers his coral. We all know there are many watermelons out there but some people have a little nicer watermelon. With NCRA you won't get fooled into buying a coral that is rumored to be the nice one when in fact the lineage is uncertain. Its only a way to protect people from people that are just hustling a quick buck.One thing I think that gets overlooked is the purpose of naming a coral.Most people don't know taxonomy. If I email a friend and ask did you see that sweet green chalice with red eyes? His answer would probably be which one , there are tons that fit that description.If I ask him if he saw that MUMMY EYE, then he knows exactly what I am talking about.I would rather deal with all the names than trying to describe a coral for 5 minutes and still not make the connection. On a better note we are currently putting together a membership drive that we will be giving everyone who signs up a PREMIUM NAME LE FRAG that goes for 100.00 to 150.00 a polyp. This month we have a membership contest going with the winner getting an LE Frag Pack including a 2x2 inch Alien Eye Chalice, a 6 inch colony of Tyree Solitaryensis,6 inch colony of acropora yongei, and a surprise piece. Some of our future giveaways include, Red Hornets,Purple Hornets,Darth Mauls,and some exotic chalices. One of the more exciting pieces we will be giving away is a Hornet Frag Pack with all the hornets. RED,BLUE,PURPLE. The real deal, no imposters!
WE have lots of great plans to make this a super site with a lot of fun and knowledge.Hopefully you guys can give us a chance and come over and visit.Hope to see you there, BrentB
WE have lots of great plans to make this a super site with a lot of fun and knowledge.Hopefully you guys can give us a chance and come over and visit.Hope to see you there, BrentB
That doesn't answer the question posted earlier. What is to stop someone registering a Tyree Watermelon as a Bill's super watermelon?
I don't see how the lineage that you are tracking for a fee is any more or less certain than someone posting on any of the various forums.
I don't see how the lineage that you are tracking for a fee is any more or less certain than someone posting on any of the various forums.
Interestingly when I read the thread topic I thought it was a good idea. However, it sounded more like a tracking system of known corals/inverts, their taxonomy, classification, origin, husbandry (provided by hobbyists and institutions), and numbers in captivity with the goal of saving/repopulating existing reefs should sections lose too much diversity through global phenomena. Then I read the link.
I like my idea better.
Gregory
I like my idea better.
Gregory
sorry Gresham, I wasn't meaning to sound condescending or talking down to anyone. Just meant its a tough room. I feel a little overwhelmed when I stop by. I am just trying to offer a service to make sure people get a correct lineage coral and not a look alike and its hard to get people to see there is only a pure motivation and I am not trying to change the hobby or make it worse for anyone. I understand the pay it forward or DBTC better than anyone. I have given away thousands of dollars in premium corals and have taught many new reefers to be generous as well.As far as the naming of corals goes it could just be an orange and blue polyp but in the end alot of people would like to be sure that they pick up farmer a's blue and orange and not an LFS blue and orange because the people that have gotten farmer a's blue and orange have gotten a polyp that looks and grows like no other. not to mention that farmer A is known for having healthy pest free livestock.I wouldn't really call this self indulgant or rhetoric. We lauched a membership campaign today thats absolutely insane. How many other sites give away 10,000 dollars worth of LE Coral? I hope to see you guys stop by and say hi. all the best~ Brent
Sorry Thales, sometimes its hard to stay on track :roll: If anyone could post their question I will do my best to give it a simple and straight forward answer. :idea: Back to your original question yes you would register it as Joes WaterMelon because thats where the lineage begins. BTW I have spoke with Steve Tyree at Reeffarmers and assured him no registries will have his name in the title. It kind of goes with the "no registering 2nd Party rule" . This is what he has stated that he prefers and I respect him and his wishes for that. If farmers are interested in their name in the registered title they need to submit for registration themselves.
Thats a good point you make. This is to establish a lineage to the farmer and we do our best to keep people on track. In life there are scammers in every little corner as I am sure some will make it through here as well, but it won't take long for these people to be found out. At that point they are booted out of the NCRA and ALL their corals and corals from them as well.While we are not the coral cops, we do watch for someone selling tons of the same coral day in and day out. That would be a sign of something sinster.We have ways that we communicate with suspected infractions and do our best to keep everyone honest at the end of the day.
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