Evergrow (Chinese Lights)

[vio]

Vio, you are correct, it has 6 3.5k which I may change later on to more RB and UV but the spectrum is good enough for the price. The spectrum on that nova one is very nice too.

read this about low K

http://www.saltcorner.com/Articles/Showarticle.php?articleID=161

What Kelvin rating for Plants & Corals;

Here are some observations made by me and others in the professional aquarium maintenance community, some of these are simple observations, while others were based on more controlled tests. Please understand that these are still generalizations!

The Warm White (3500K) & Cool White (4200-5500K) are typical lighting kelvin ratings used in home lighting and is common of lights sold in hardware stores, etc.
While these sources were used years back for both planted and even reef lighting out of necessity (as there were not many options available), these are poor choices due to little essential PUR energy and many more cool white and especially warm white lights are required to delivery this light energy for photosynthetic life.

Sadly many LED manufacturers such as Evergrow, Ocean Revive, Maxspect, & even EcoTech include these kelvin rated emitters in their lights to achieve Photosynthetic Life PUR via a shotgun approach and/or more human pleasing colors.
If you are looking for the highest output in useful light energy for watt of energy consumed, these kelvin color lights/emitters should be avoided!
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_lighting.html#led
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_lighting.html#led

 

[beastium]

Yup that's why I swapped out the warm white for 8k, 10k, and 12k. The cooler whites also accentuate colors better

 

[vio]

Yup that's why I swapped out the warm white for 8k, 10k, and 12k. The cooler whites also accentuate colors better

Yes, is true, few months back i almost post about bryopsis reef algae, i got so much hard time , i try everything i know and i can, NO way to finish the bryopsis, than Tanks jr973 he ring my bell, he was joking about Algae w/one member , blame the LEDs, than i said, wow, just a sec. is my light fix. i realize warm white 3.500 K is NOT welcome in my litght fix. , i build many Algae Scrubber, the Best work 3000 K or closed. I am about to build big Mama light fix. (12x24 two sets) i will skip all low K on whites, is just my opinion. Vio

 

[FastUno]

Good article & something to keep in mind as time progresses. So you tell me, do you think 2x T5 bulbs with just Blue+ & Coral+ would grow the same bryopsis or other unwanted hair algae?


I could not resist & I upgraded (or downgraded depending on how it turns out) my 75g lights to the same Chinese LED's.

Here are 2x utube vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUWcReFQf2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgV5C7T-xRg

 

[vio]

Not sure , why (first video , in special) call white and Blue (Full spectrum) i think both they just instal the D 120 light (first said 6 days). Now , i refer to warm white 3.500 K i dont like. i read about 6.500 K (T 5) will be a good grow light.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature

 

[FastUno]

From the old reference 2 channels. One is blue & the other white. Then came the full spectrum: warm white, neutral white, green, red, & UV (all of which were added to the white channel).

I think when they realized that color spectrum was missing, then they added & referenced it as full spectrum.

Only day 6 & now 7 with lights. I wanted to show quickly that I was wrong in my last video. They did not show good coverage when I held the lights up manually with my hand. I placed them on 2x4 & still even worst coverage with my older video. Now that I have them PROPERLY hung, they are really good, much better than expected.

 

[bhazard451]

read this about low K

http://www.saltcorner.com/Articles/Showarticle.php?articleID=161

What Kelvin rating for Plants & Corals;

Here are some observations made by me and others in the professional aquarium maintenance community, some of these are simple observations, while others were based on more controlled tests. Please understand that these are still generalizations!

The Warm White (3500K) & Cool White (4200-5500K) are typical lighting kelvin ratings used in home lighting and is common of lights sold in hardware stores, etc.
While these sources were used years back for both planted and even reef lighting out of necessity (as there were not many options available), these are poor choices due to little essential PUR energy and many more cool white and especially warm white lights are required to delivery this light energy for photosynthetic life.

Sadly many LED manufacturers such as Evergrow, Ocean Revive, Maxspect, & even EcoTech include these kelvin rated emitters in their lights to achieve Photosynthetic Life PUR via a shotgun approach and/or more human pleasing colors.
If you are looking for the highest output in useful light energy for watt of energy consumed, these kelvin color lights/emitters should be avoided!
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_lighting.html#led
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_lighting.html#led

Puff pieces like this are exactly why I stopped caring much about lighting and reef equipment in general, and stopped posting.

Isn't it ironic how this article bashes all other equipment used on the market, yet recommends equipment that only they sell! They completely ignore the fact that most Royal Blue and 400-420nm purple combos already achieve what they say only the OSRAM can, and they specifically leave out "neutral white" measurements as well as mentioning how our vision sees color in coral. The same PUR can be achieved by any combo of leds providing those same wavelengths at the same intensity. Going by their own theory, white leds aren't needed at all, and they are right! Your tank will look like a smurf to your eyes though.

Think of how coral pictures are taken. They use a flash bulb underwater or sunlight right? Sunlight and a flash bulb has a ton of different wavelengths in it, especially low k, doesn't it? MH bulbs look terrible on those comparison charts, but since when have MH bulbs ever been terrible at growing and viewing coral?

The Evergrow units themselves are outdated as well, and the rest of the industry still hasn't made an affordable, sleek, smartphone capable, easy to use light with an optimal led combo, nor is it easy to swap leds or upgrade on your own.

Until someone does, leds are a "possible" cheaper lighting system that has worked for myself and many others, but why bother with leds now otherwise? In the long run, MH and T5 will provide as good or better results without the obsolete upgrade headaches that will continue for a long time to come, as innovation moves at a snails pace seemingly in this industry.

 

[FastUno]

Good point bhazard. A lot of things are said in this industry & then you see reefers doing just what they proclaim not to. I don't care a whole lot for what is said or what someone "believes" is going on behind the scenes. At the end, the corals speak. I chose my fixtures based upon the experience of other reefers & getting the most for my money.


Slow & incremental updates is a great way for them to continue to rake in the money. This is how many industries operate. I am dictating this from my hands free voice recognition in my flying car, oh yea something else that was promised to us a long time ago!


Check out what some of us might think is impossible, yet it is happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NY_I33xwDw

http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/267432-gu10-led-build-thread-chinese-ebay-lights/

 

[Fishinizer]

Has anyone heard of DSunY LED's?

http://www.dsuny.com.cn/En/Product_...D=727023&CorpProductClass1_ID=46914&id=922309


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4qeCMTkYSE



http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GMDV6DY/?tag=reefs04-20

There only 1w I wouldn't

 

[Fishinizer]

Hey guys anyone use any of these which one would you recommend ? Before I say what I think don't want to bias opinion want true ideas
First is twilight programmable with manual dimmer . Second is cob 160w led also on alibaba . couldn't find much of each second kind kessil first is d120 looking . Thanks

 

[Fishinizer]

Puff pieces like this are exactly why I stopped caring much about lighting and reef equipment in general, and stopped posting.

Isn't it ironic how this article bashes all other equipment used on the market, yet recommends equipment that only they sell! They completely ignore the fact that most Royal Blue and 400-420nm purple combos already achieve what they say only the OSRAM can, and they specifically leave out "neutral white" measurements as well as mentioning how our vision sees color in coral. The same PUR can be achieved by any combo of leds providing those same wavelengths at the same intensity. Going by their own theory, white leds aren't needed at all, and they are right! Your tank will look like a smurf to your eyes though.

Think of how coral pictures are taken. They use a flash bulb underwater or sunlight right? Sunlight and a flash bulb has a ton of different wavelengths in it, especially low k, doesn't it? MH bulbs look terrible on those comparison charts, but since when have MH bulbs ever been terrible at growing and viewing coral?

The Evergrow units themselves are outdated as well, and the rest of the industry still hasn't made an affordable, sleek, smartphone capable, easy to use light with an optimal led combo, nor is it easy to swap leds or upgrade on your own.

Until someone does, leds are a "possible" cheaper lighting system that has worked for myself and many others, but why bother with leds now otherwise? In the long run, MH and T5 will provide as good or better results without the obsolete upgrade headaches that will continue for a long time to come, as innovation moves at a snails pace seemingly in this industry.

First of all I have a video of the first metal hailide on a reef basically at Coney Island aquarium in a research center when Sps weren't thought to be possible and anemones were barly kept alive my buddy who currently owns atlantas marine world it to me they used metal hailide from a parking lot . First time they got coral result it took many years to create the right bulb spectrum same with LEDs why would we stop? Have you seen any new lights coming out that don't evolve led I don't think so maybe 1-2.

 

[FastUno]

Without knowing much about those LED's & based upon others experience:

1) twilight programmable with manual dimmer: Programming is probably horrific & LED's are hit or miss. Miss on older units sold there, but better chance they have caught up to what works nowadays. So good units with crappy programming & I would not take my chances on such a fixture.

2) Kessil wannabees look very promising. I see red & green within the chip & that is a good sign. I bet they are a good replacement & I would take my chances with them.

Did you look at the GU10 light bulbs those other guys are using....amazing. They are only using white & blue, no full spectrum and many different corals have been grown.

 

[Fishinizer]

Without knowing much about those LED's & based upon others experience:

1) twilight programmable with manual dimmer: Programming is probably horrific & LED's are hit or miss. Miss on older units sold there, but better chance they have caught up to what works nowadays. So good units with crappy programming & I would not take my chances on such a fixture.

2) Kessil wannabees look very promising. I see red & green within the chip & that is a good sign. I bet they are a good replacement & I would take my chances with them.

Did you look at the GU10 light bulbs those other guys are using....amazing. They are only using white & blue, no full spectrum and many different corals have been grown.

So the lady said $109 and no only on and off on timmer can't dim that's bull lmao but she said I choose the layout that's usually extra working with her bargaining .

With the second light I seen a video seems to white when on blue since green and red are on same channel they never got back to me after a week so far I know New Years is now over not helpful mantis said about $50 to customize each light what do you think?

 

[vio]

From the old reference 2 channels. One is blue & the other white. Then came the full spectrum: warm white, neutral white, green, red, & UV (all of which were added to the white channel).

I think when they realized that color spectrum was missing, then they added & referenced it as full spectrum.

Only day 6 & now 7 with lights. I wanted to show quickly that I was wrong in my last video. They did not show good coverage when I held the lights up manually with my hand. I placed them on 2x4 & still even worst coverage with my older video. Now that I have them PROPERLY hung, they are really good, much better than expected.

OK now i now, sorry.

 

[vio]

Puff pieces like this are exactly why I stopped caring much about lighting and reef equipment in general, and stopped posting.

Isn't it ironic how this article bashes all other equipment used on the market, yet recommends equipment that only they sell! They completely ignore the fact that most Royal Blue and 400-420nm purple combos already achieve what they say only the OSRAM can, and they specifically leave out "neutral white" measurements as well as mentioning how our vision sees color in coral. The same PUR can be achieved by any combo of leds providing those same wavelengths at the same intensity. Going by their own theory, white leds aren't needed at all, and they are right! Your tank will look like a smurf to your eyes though.

Think of how coral pictures are taken. They use a flash bulb underwater or sunlight right? Sunlight and a flash bulb has a ton of different wavelengths in it, especially low k, doesn't it? MH bulbs look terrible on those comparison charts, but since when have MH bulbs ever been terrible at growing and viewing coral?

The Evergrow units themselves are outdated as well, and the rest of the industry still hasn't made an affordable, sleek, smartphone capable, easy to use light with an optimal led combo, nor is it easy to swap leds or upgrade on your own.

Until someone does, leds are a "possible" cheaper lighting system that has worked for myself and many others, but why bother with leds now otherwise? In the long run, MH and T5 will provide as good or better results without the obsolete upgrade headaches that will continue for a long time to come, as innovation moves at a snails pace seemingly in this industry.

Did u read this ...?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature, i keep refer to 3.500 k Not 6.500K or 10.000 or 12.000 or 14.000 or any white, and Evergrow may need 50 years to beat MH light.

 

[Fishinizer]

Is this a good deal guys good quality if ise want I need to order at least 12 $105 shipped! The link is below That's great full spectrum and all I'll let you know if I find better http://gbgreensun.en.alibaba.com/pr...&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e

 

[FastUno]

That site in for general light spectrum & coral needs are a little bit more specific. Full light spectrum passes through the ocean water & many wavelengths get filtered & absorbed as you go down the water column. Really colorful & great corals grow 10-15 meters down the ocean, where the spectrum is constrained & specific. By tomorrow I point you to a good thread that explains some of these concepts.

You can see a coral look awesome in synthetic lighting & then hit it with sunlight & it will look yellowish & brown. The LOOK besides that health of the coral is taken into account when making a reef light. Corals use & absorb certain light & they reflect back other spectrums.

I know 2 reefers on here who bought a different fixture from Alibab. One guy did LED/T5 & he cannot use his LED past 15% or so & he use only the T5 mostly. He said he does not believe in LED lighting. They were the older blue/white only LEDs though. Another dude bought another fixture & it was also blue/white only. He can't do past 15% white & around 50% blue, otherwise corals respond bad.

So why not just get what works. The ones I bought D120 & the larger models are reported on here to work & longer term. If you like I can ask the person I bought from how much for 12x of them. I am sure you get a juicy discount.

 

[Fishinizer]

That site in for general light spectrum & coral needs are a little bit more specific. Full light spectrum passes through the ocean water & many wavelengths get filtered & absorbed as you go down the water column. Really colorful & great corals grow 10-15 meters down the ocean, where the spectrum is constrained & specific. By tomorrow I point you to a good thread that explains some of these concepts.

You can see a coral look awesome in synthetic lighting & then hit it with sunlight & it will look yellowish & brown. The LOOK besides that health of the coral is taken into account when making a reef light. Corals use & absorb certain light & they reflect back other spectrums.

I know 2 reefers on here who bought a different fixture from Alibab. One guy did LED/T5 & he cannot use his LED past 15% or so & he use only the T5 mostly. He said he does not believe in LED lighting. They were the older blue/white only LEDs though. Another dude bought another fixture & it was also blue/white only. He can't do past 15% white & around 50% blue, otherwise corals respond bad.

So why not just get what works. The ones I bought D120 & the larger models are reported on here to work & longer term. If you like I can ask the person I bought from how much for 12x of them. I am sure you get a juicy discount.

There not d120 but basically the same made sure they had all the good stuff and good chips it's a long story they are also full spectrum I could customize but here's their layout it's not bad those pictures are crap what do you think ? I was going to use a name brand but I can't afford 2,000 or more on just lights I have these over a tank and love them the same as my radion which I have a love hate relationship with

 

[FastUno]

I've seen successful tanks with just the white & blue LED's. I think the better your water parameters the more readily your corals can sustain variation in lights.

I don't think the warm & neutral's are necessary, but I think it prevents my Chinese lights form BURNING my corals & allows me to increase the power.

My Chinese LED's are:
6pcs Warm White(3500-4500K),
6pcs Neutral White(6500-7500K),
8pcs Cool White(10000-14000K),
2pcs Green 520nm,
2pcs Deep Red 660nm,
4pcs UV (400-420nm):
20pcs Blue 460nm,
7pcsRoyal Blue 450nm.


I just saw the AI Vega's in a LFS & they are so freakin awesome. I think I like them better than the Kessil units they had on another in house tank. Their LED combo is as follows:
Colors

• 4 - Cree XM-L Cool White
• 8 - Cree XP-E Royal Blue
• 2 - Cree XP-E Blue
• 2 OSRAM OSLON Deep Blue
• 2 Cree XP-E Green
• 2 OSRAM OSLON Deep Red

My 75g tank:

 

[FastUno]

Video of left side of fish tank. It has been almost 1 month with LED's on 75g. Can you guys share your pics & video too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxS9FxL4dTM