Why are we paying more for Genetic Defects?

[JavyJaverson]

i don't see how a color morph would greatly hinder the chances of a clown surviving in the wild; any reference on this subject i can look at? also enough with forums complaining about prices, it starts with a market, not marketing. If there are people willing to pay top dollar for a mutation then let people sell is all i say

 

[jf2381]

i don't see how a color morph would greatly hinder the chances of a clown surviving in the wild; any reference on this subject i can look at? also enough with forums complaining about prices, it starts with a market, not marketing. If there are people willing to pay top dollar for a mutation then let people sell is all i say

Camouflage, increase/decrease chances of being picked by a mate,..etc.

I agree and say it all the time.
People always whining about prices but you have the people that can afford it and keep buying thus create a market for it.

Stop buying these overpriced corals/fish. Let the stock sit in the system for a month and watch the prices start to drop.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Dog conversations belong in the nudibar. All nonessential comparisons from other animals to fish have been removed. Please keep this on topic.

 

[jf2381]

but they are good and valid analogies.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Yes the valid analogies were kept in the thread.

 

[jf2381]

ORA used to cull all of the abnormal fish. Then, I guess people started asking for them and the snowball started rolling. I think that the threshold for deformity is just at the patterns since they did offer a "Stubby" clown for a little while a few years ago (it looked like someone stuffed it in a vice and bashed it's head in for lack of a better description). It's spine was crooked and the head and face were very deformed making the fish look like it was mostly head with fins attached directly to it. I don't think they went over well since that was the first and last we saw of them.
I think some of the patterns are cool and the fish seem healthy, plus they're tank raised, so there really isn't a downside to it as far as I can see. It's just that the numbers are limited and then most suppliers further limit the amount each company can purchase at any one time, so they can effectively control the price and keep it elevated. I think they did open the floodgates with their different strains to the point where now if anything is even slightly different it becomes a new and expensive strain with a name.

Agree. The fish look healthy, not suffering, helping reduces the numbers of wild caught fish being caught.
However, like you mentioned, you have the case like that stubby clowns and the parrot cichlids. Now those fish obviously are not functioning properly and have been inbreed to the point where the mutation is becoming a hindrance.

More and more hobbiest are starting to breed, onyx, picasso, platinums etc and the market will be flooded with off springs. so the price shoudl start coming down.
Look at the guy on another site selling a bunch of black ice clowns. He will get to the point that he will flood the market. I see the price on those dropping soon.

 

[jf2381]

Yes the valid analogies were kept in the thread.

I see that. cool.

 

[jaa1456]

If they were meant to look like that then they would be like that in nature. THE END

 

[Raul]

is the fish in your avatar the right color???

You are missing the bigger picture... They DO look like that in nature just not as many. Part of evolution is color change.

If they were meant to look like that then they would be like that in nature. THE END

 

[bigcapct]

People have been doing that with dogs for centuries,thats how we have almost all these breeds,no one comains bout dogs

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[jf2381]

If they were meant to look like that then they would be like that in nature. THE END

We do not see a higher number of these animals because the new patterns makes them stand out and are easier pray. But you have cases where they do survive and reproduce and pass on the gene (i.e, Albino lion that survive it's infancy to became the dominant male of his pride. and gets to pass on it's albino gene. Documentary was on discovery channel.) Also, the lighting maroon clown. Happens all the time.

 

[DHaut]

So the original question is why are we paying more than "normal" for for fish with genetic "defects." That one's easy - supply and demand. Scarcity of clowns that look different than a standard clown causes prices to go up. Econ 101.

Have we now moved on to the question of if it's moral or not to selectively breed fish? That will be more fun to argue, I think.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Lets be perfectly clear I am not against the purchase of these fish. This seems like it would be a great topic to have a conversation about.

The issues of inbreeding also comes to the forefront here but it seems that these types of fish are being inbred at a rapid rate and could cause issues down the road with lifespan and physical disabilities.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Lets be perfectly clear I am not against the purchase of these fish. This seems like it would be a great topic to have a conversation about.

The issues of inbreeding also comes to the forefront here but it seems that these types of fish are being inbred at a rapid rate and could cause issues down the road with lifespan and physical disabilities.

The inbred of these clownfishs are no where near other fish(such as fancy sebra of the fresh water) as couple major breeders already try to diffuse the inbreed issue by sourcing their fish from different origins.

For eg., if we pair a misbar from Australia with a misbar of the Indonesian one.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

So the original question is why are we paying more than "normal" for for fish with genetic "defects."

Sorry Title updated. This is what I meant.

 

[NYPDFrogman]

it's all because of the Gimp fin nemo!:biglaugh:

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

... Is it just because they are different?

I think this is the answer to your question.

In reefing, I hardly see someone who just want to have the common stuff. For example, a tank full of algae(well I am one of such though.) A tank full of aiptasia(I used to like them but now just for feeding my nudi) a tank full of xenia(I still do)....

With that said, I also like to have non common fish. :sgrin:

This is reeefing what you expect:biglaugh:

 

[richardhmc]

Meh, I prefer the originals. I don't see what's so amazing about a clown that looks like white paint was dripped on it. People who are into misbars... I don't have a clue as to what's so interesting about that either. To me they are very ugly.

To each his own I guess

 

[jaa1456]

is the fish in your avatar the right color???

You are missing the bigger picture... They DO look like that in nature just not as many. Part of evolution is color change.

The fish in my avatar was not bred in captivity like the clowns. It is actually a rare color morph that has been documented for many years now, I guess it would be the Albino of the Potters angel. As for the clowns they are what I call Rednecks from the south. Where your mother is your sister and aunt and wife all in one. They just keep breeding fish from the same parents over and over which would not happen in nature.

 

[jaa1456]

We do not see a higher number of these animals because the new patterns makes them stand out and are easier pray. But you have cases where they do survive and reproduce and pass on the gene (i.e, Albino lion that survive it's infancy to became the dominant male of his pride. and gets to pass on it's albino gene. Documentary was on discovery channel.) Also, the lighting maroon clown. Happens all the time.

An Albino lion is different, Pick something that is not at the top of the food chain. Where are the Albino prey that it hunts? And Male lions actually do not hunt the females do and the Male just gets to eat the catch. The lightning Maroon as I stated earlier is in an isolated area inbreeding with itself. In nature when something inbreeds to much it eventually becomes weaker and can't fight off disease and eventually has a lot of problems, like neurolgical, tumors and other things like that. Which eventually will put an end to that pocket of inbreeding.