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NYreefNoob

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ok so i have had my battles on and off with ich since i started this tank. i dont have a qt system and have always done a fw dip and procure dip afterwards and have always had luck with this, twice ive not gone through my normal procedure and ended up with problems, first was a blue throat trigger and it wreaked havic on my system and cost me half my fish, well 2 months ago i got a multi bar angel and didnt do my dips then either, well i lost all my clowns, pb tang, kole eye and a few other fish, i am the first to say i am not a patient person and the site of my tank with 4 fish was like a crack head without crack lol. so after alot of reading on the ruby reef ich kick i broke down and bought a bottle. my 3 female flame wrasse's had broken out and i was out to try something. i do have a mixed reef, sps, lps ect. i started the treatment today, and i am not going to say this is a miracle cure, but will say this i added it this morning and by the time my first lights came on at 3 80% of it is gone on the fish, now this is only suppose to kill the free floating ich not stuff on the fish and your suppose to do the treatment for 2 weeks which i plan to follow through on, but so far so good and will continue to post on this as i do the treatment
 

adamt

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Im in the same boat with ya buddy my two percs have been sick since i got them about two months ago.... They eat fine and behave normally but they are constantly covered in either ich or brooklynella. I finally got sick of it tonight and took them out and put them in an aerated quarantine 5 gallon bucket (no extra tank on hand) they havent been getting the other fish sick at all but i didnt set up this tank to look at chronically ill wild caught percs.... Im gonna do my best to cure them, but theyre not going back in my tank. Atleast not till theyre 100% clean.
 

Dre

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My fish tank had an Ich Attack three weeks ago as well .I think it was brought on by the cool and hot weather we had .Here is what i do on my 120,not recommended for reef tanks though.I run my tank 2/3 - 3/4 full with a 30 watt sterilizer and a pump running at about 500- 600 gph 24/7's.I see improvement within 24 hours with regular feeds.
 

TrIsTaTe05

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went through it as well, wiped out about a 1000 bucks in fish. now my yellow tang has it it goes and comes, just keep feeding the garlic i let the garlic sit in there food for about 3 hours to really soak it up, now i just buy cheap nice looking fish just incase its a shame but i rather lose a couple of bucks then 1000s. Good luck.
 

pweissma

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I found my blue assessor covered with ich the morning after I introduced it. I'm now a QT convert. The ich never came back quite that bad but it didn't go away either. Frequently I found a few tell tail spots. My other fish, 2 percs and an algae blenny never got it. After about 3 weeks and several failed attempts at catching the fish I treated the tank with herbtana. I won't say for sure that the herbtana cured the fish, reasonable chance it was just timing, but the ich was gone after the treatment. All my inverts (shrimp, urchin, cucumber, clam, hermit crabs, and snails) were fine through the treatment.
 
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jaa1456

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I found my blue assessor covered with ich the morning after I introduced it. I'm now a QT convert. The ich never came back quite that bad but it didn't go away either. Frequently I found a few tell tail spots. My other fish, 2 percs and an algae blenny never got it. After about 3 weeks and several failed attempts at catching the fish I treated the tank with herbtana. I won't say for sure that the herbtana cured the fish, reasonable chance it was just timing, but the ich was gone after the treatment. All my inverts (shrimp, urchin, cucumber, clam, hermit crabs, and snails) were fine through the treatment.
I used Herbtan once, it killed quite a few of my inverts and even lost some zoas the following day. None of my fish were harmed although it did nothing for the ich either.
 

pmoneyt

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I had it for a pair of Blue throat triggers and lost everything. So I al starting all over. i just need to finish the tank setup first
 

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I found my blue assessor covered with ich the morning after I introduced it. I'm now a QT convert. The ich never came back quite that bad but it didn't go away either. Frequently I found a few tell tail spots. My other fish, 2 percs and an algae blenny never got it. After about 3 weeks and several failed attempts at catching the fish I treated the tank with herbtana. I won't say for sure that the herbtana cured the fish, reasonable chance it was just timing, but the ich was gone after the treatment. All my inverts (shrimp, urchin, cucumber, clam, hermit crabs, and snails) were fine through the treatment.

Herbtana does not claim to rid a tank of Ich. It claims to help the fish drive off the parasites. That is not a cure.

Herbtana, Kick Ich and all the rest of the magical products on the market do NOT kill the parasite. Most of them contain cayenne pepper which increases the slime coat of the fish (by causing a minor burn on their scales/skin ..basically).

The day the Ich visibly falls off the fish is nothing more than the cysts falling to the substrate where they will burst open and you will have even more Ich parasites in your tank.

Only 2 things have been proven to cure Ich (if used properly..) Copper and hyposalinity. If you choose not to use either (not at the same time and not in your DT!!!), you may as well just stick with feeding garlic (to try and keep their appetite up) and provide them with good quality water and an additional source of oxygen (as in an air pump/stone) to help them through.

Hopefully you will get lucky and your fish will develop an immunity to the Ich (for at least some period of time, as it is not proven that immunity lasts forever).
Do keep in mind that if you have gotten lucky with your fish - the Ich is STILL IN YOUR TANK (as you only tried to protect your fish)..so please remember that before you decide to frag some corals to sell..they may well have Ich present on them...

I wish all of you the best of luck with your fish!
 

NYreefNoob

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btw i dont pass bad info out, didnt say kick ich cure''s ich, it will kill off the free floating species , btw just got home and none of my 3 female wrasse's have a spot on them, i will continue the 2 week dosage not saying the kick ich did it but in my years in the hobby ive never seen a fish covered then next day not have any spot's.btw once again i am not reccomending this to anyone, just my personal experiance so far and will continue here is another link as well as what it says
http://www.bestfish.com/saltich.html
[SIZE=+4]Treating Saltwater "Ich"[/SIZE]
Saltwater ich is a disease caused by tiny parasites of either Cryptocaryon or Oodinium. These parasites imbed themselves in the fish's skin and gills, causing great irritation. Initial symptoms usually include loss of appetite, rapid breathing and scratching. The parasites feed and grow for a few days, then drop off the fish in preparation for reproducing. They lie on the tank bottom in an encysted state for several days or weeks and mature. Each cyst then ruptures, releasing dozens to hundreds of new parasites to begin the cycle once again. In nature or in very uncrowded aquariums, very few of these parasites are successful in finding a host, and their population is kept in check. In a more typical aquarium situation, however, the number of parasites multiplies tenfold or more with each cycle, and the fish are soon overcome.
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Prevention: saltwater ich parasites are commonly found in nature, and we can safely assume that many normal, healthy fish are carrying a few of these parasites when collected. Since no treatment has been found that can kill ich while embedded in the fish, we must wait for all of the parasites to fall off on their own before we can consider the fish to be ich-free. In the meantime, of course, effective medication must be used to prevent re-infection. Ideally, each hobbyist should have a medicated quarantine tank, to isolate and treat each new specimen for at least two weeks before addition to the main aquarium. Another option is to purchase only specimens which have been kept in properly medicated tanks at least two weeks at your dealer (we medicate all our fish-only tanks full time and we date our fish labels to help you with this). Saltwater invertebrates are suspected of being carriers of ich, and since most effective ich treatments also kill invertebrates (their cell structures are quite similar), they cannot be guaranteed ich-free when purchased.
Therapeutics: saltwater fish have a number of natural defenses against ich, and if the fish are healthy enough and the outbreak mild enough, sometimes the fish may cure themselves, just as they would in nature. We can assist them to some degree by maintaining good water quality and providing a nourishing diet. Raising the water temperature shortens the disease cycle and may add vigor to the fish's defense system. Lowering the salinity to about 1.015 seems to inhibit the breeding cycle of the parasites. Giving the fish a two minute freshwater dip may eradicate parasites from the outer layers of skin and gills. Keeping only a few fish in a large aquarium (as in the currently popular "reef" type tanks) can make it harder for each parasite to be successful in finding a host, and the disease may die out.
It is very important, however, not to mistake a temporary reprieve for a complete cure. Quite often, ich symptoms subside for a week or two, only to return a hundred fold with the next wave of parasitic swarmers. In another common situation, the ich and fish reach a sort of "stand-off", where neither the fish nor the parasites get the upper hand. The fishes natural defenses keep the disease under control and the symptoms disappear, but there are still plenty of parasites in the aquarium. Any new fish added are quickly overwhelmed by parasites and die in a few days.
Effective Treatment: for many aquarists, treating for ich is inevitable, and there are a great number of commercial "remedies" on the market. Unfortunately, we have found many of these to be ineffective and most to have dangerous side effects in spite of claims on the label. Over the years we have tried most of these (including malachite green, formalin, quinine and methanidizole), always hoping to find a treatment a little better or a little easier than what we are using. While our current system has some shortcomings, we have found it to be very effective if used correctly, and it has a fairly wide margin of safety. We use Cupramine? copper treatment and maintain a concentration of .30 ppm for at least three weeks. Some stubborn Cryptocaryon infections require increasing the level to .35 ppm. Most fish can survive levels of up to .8 ppm for short periods of time. Like other copper treatments, Cupramine? kills invertebrates. Since copper is absorbed by saltwater gravels and decorative corals, a reliable, readable copper test kit is necessary. We have found a number of kits to be totally unsuitable, and have purchased a Hach Copper Colorimetric Meter for our own use - and to test water samples from our customers. We are currently seeking a reliable yet affordable copper kit for consumer use. Medicating with Cupramine? Copper

  • Use copper to treat protozoan infections.
  • Remove all invertebrates (crabs, shrimp, anemones, etc.) before medicating.
  • Remove chemical filter media (carbon, Chemipure?, Poly Filter?, etc.) during treatment.
  • Build up slowly. If tank has never had copper before, use no more than one drop per two gallons each day for first two weeks. Thereafter, one drop per gallon is a full dose. Discontinue treatment temporarily if ammonia or nitrite levels rise.
  • Use test kit to determine copper level before each treatment. If level is zero, you may add a full dose of copper (unless still in "build up slowly" stage). As level approaches .30 ppm, use a proportional amount of copper (for example; if test shows .15 ppm, use 1/2 drop per gallon of Cupramine?).
 

pmui

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i'm also going through the ick battle. I've lost about $500 in fish also, the only (2) fish to survive is my Gold stripe maroon clown (5+ yrs); and a large queen angel.
I currently treated with cupramine for 2 weeks and now doing hypo. The main tank is fallow and will remain so for 8 weeks. The garlic thing did not work, i feed all my fish garlic power with their foods, and they still got ick. let me know how you guys do.
 

KathyC

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Rick - I am NOT saying that you are passing out bad info!! You clearly stated in this thread that what you are doing now is by choice (using ruby red kick ich) and you are well aware that is not the method suggested most often as a 'cure'.

I do appreciate your posting the 2 articles above so that others may readily read them and have a choice in methods to eliminate Ich from their tanks.

I sincerely hope you win your battle!
 

pweissma

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Herbtana does not claim to rid a tank of Ich. It claims to help the fish drive off the parasites. That is not a cure.
I wish all of you the best of luck with your fish!

Yes, it's true that Herbtana claims only to enhance the fishes immune system and not to directly kill the parasite. But ich can be killed by interrupting it's life cycle. If all the fish in a tank have developed immunity, then the ich won't find a host and it will die. Same as if there were no fish in the tank.

That's the theory anyway. I realize that products like Herbtana are pretty questionable and I probably wouldn't use it again. I just wanted to pass on my experience and hear the results of others. Best of luck everyone.
 
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basiab

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What is being said is that your approach will not prove anything. The fact that your fish get 'cured' does not prove the product works. The reason I say that is because I didn't use any product and my fish got 'cured'. Had I used your product I would have concluded that it works. And 'cured' is a lose term because it does not mean my tank is ich free. It just means my fish built up immunity. Chances are if I add a fish it will get sick.

Also, I did use copper in previous outbreaks and some fish died and some lived.
 

NYreefNoob

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basiab your jumping to conclusions, now have you ever seen a fish with 20-30 spots of ich, the next day have none ? and this isnt just one fish, this was all three of my female flames. i am NOT trying to convence anyone to use this product, i am simply giving my review of it and how it has worked and how it effects my system and fish. and once again everyone is jumping to conclusions, never said it cured anything. i am by far anything from new to this hobby, and this is one reason i normally dont post stuff in reguards to trial's of stuff i have used, same why i never really got into a thread about special blend or nite out 2 or any of the other stuff,

PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT READ WHAT I HAVE BEEN POSTING ON THIS THREAD THEN DON'T POST ON IT. not to be a prik, but i am not asking anyone's approval or opinions especially if you personally havent used this product. alot of us dont have space to do a qt set-up and no matter and have tried different stuff.and this from reef keeper magizine where they ran minor test with it and several other simular products http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-12/sp/index.php
from their site
A reef safe water treatment that controls "Ich" by disrupting the life cycle of C. irritans (marine) or I. multifiliis (freshwater). Does not contain copper.
KICK-ICH™ is a scientifically developed water treatment, which was proven effective during two years of national test marketing, for stopping C. irritans and I. multifiliis infections. The KICK-ICH™ formulation is specifically designed to interrupt the free swimming stage (i.e., the “tomite” stage) of their life cycles, thereby stopping progressive infection and reinfection, without use of copper, malachite green, hyper-irritants or other chemicals that are toxic to many aquarium inhabitants. In addition, KICK-ICH™ does not affect nitrifying bacteria (e.g., Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter) and is biodegradable.
During the typical “Ich” lifecycle, a free-swimming tomite penetrates the host skin, where it undergoes metamorphosis into a “trophozoite”. The trophozoite matures within the host skin -- forming the “whitespot” cyst – until it emerges from the cyst as a “trophont” and leaves the host. The trophont secretes a thick, highly resistant mucous coat immediately upon exit from the host: the mucous coat protects the trophont as it undergoes replication and division into hundreds of infecting units, which emerge as new, fully infectious tomites upon rupture of the ripe trophont.
It is generally impractical or impossible to attack, by chemical or drug therapy, maturing trophozoites residing between dermal layers of skin. [NOTE: It is possible to cause spots to "slide off" by employing highly stressful and sometimes toxic hyper-irritants that induce sliming and shedding of dermal layers.] Similarly, it is virtually impossible to attack [or irritate] the mucous coated trophonts. However, practical interruption of the infection cycle can be accomplished by attacking the unprotected, free swimming tomites. KICK-ICK™ is a water treatment that, when used as directed, can be directly and safely added to any marine, reef or freshwater aquarium to effectively interrupt the tomite stage of the Ich life cycle, without concern for the health and vigor of fish, corals, invertebrates or nitrifying bacteria.
 

basiab

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"basiab your jumping to conclusions, now have you ever seen a fish with 20-30 spots of ich, the next day have none ? "

Yes, and you can expect them to come back within a week. If not then I would say you have a good case.
 

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