ORA or C-QUEST Clowns?

[marrone]

Just because they don't original come from Wyoming means they're mutated. It's just a name that was applied to them. These Clowns are being breed for selective qualities, where in the wild they probably wouldn't make it but that's not from them being sick or anything, just that their patterns may possible make them easy marks for other fish. Then again maybe not, you see new Clowns from different areas show up all the time and have different variations from what you normally see.

You're getting too hung up on the mutated angle, it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them.

 

[jaa1456]

Once again I didn't say there was anything wrong with them, but yes they are mutated. Think of it this way. You have children with your sister, your kids have kids with each other and so on down the line. After a few generations of inbreeding you great great grand children would have abnormal features. As they would only have genes from you and your sister just repeated and repeated over and over agian and the genes would become weak. This is true and not something I made up. It is essentially a money making scheme and in my opinion unacceptable.

 

[marrone]

There is a big difference between an inbreed fish and one that is mutated. There are plenty of mutations that aren't inbreed, so just because it's a mutated doesn't mean it's inbreed.

In the case with some of these Clowns they have taken ones with certain coloration or line patterns and breed them. Nothing wrong with that unless they then take the offspring and breed then with each other or one of the parent, though I'm sure this can and does happen in the wild too.

 

[DrCooper]

I agree that captive bred can be healthy, probably more healthy in a home aquarium than a wild caught fish. But as for the whites they are mutated and if it is anything like in dogs and cats for example they will have problems. A fact well known is that a pure white dog will always be deaf. And I don't shop at petco for fish lol.

Wow, I didn't know this fact and am 100% positive its incorrect. Grew up with a PURE WHITE DOG that had amazing hearing.

 

[bizarrecorals]

Considering some of the type of Clowns they could only come from either ORA or C-Quest, so I can't see a LFS lying about it.

not all, but most of the species (even the fancy ones) can be purchase from other companies than the 2 mentioned. You really can't see a LFS lying about it?, never bought a "TANK RAISED" clown that dropped dead in hours carrying the same syptoms that a wild clown carries? Just want people to be aware of the situation, thats all, you don't always get what you pay for.

 

[rickytsui]

not all, but most of the species (even the fancy ones) can be purchase from other companies than the 2 mentioned. You really can't see a LFS lying about it?, never bought a "TANK RAISED" clown that dropped dead in hours carrying the same syptoms that a wild clown carries? Just want people to be aware of the situation, thats all, you don't always get what you pay for.

+1 i seen that happen so many time

 

[bizarrecorals]

still cracks me up, you can't see a LFS lying.

 

[jaa1456]

LFS lie all the time, it is a buisness and they are out to make money. Yea you can put a full grown grouper with a chromis no problem.

 

[prattreef]

While many LFS lie about many things, and some might claim that a clown is ORA or C-Quest raised when it is not, the chance that they are wild caught--particularly at a small size is very slim. The vast majority of clownfish for sale are aqua-cultured even at Petco which I believe are actually ORA fish or at least they used to be. Adult sized pairs are a different story and those are infrequent and lauded as being wild caught.

 

[marrone]

not all, but most of the species (even the fancy ones) can be purchase from other companies than the 2 mentioned. You really can't see a LFS lying about it?, never bought a "TANK RAISED" clown that dropped dead in hours carrying the same syptoms that a wild clown carries? Just want people to be aware of the situation, thats all, you don't always get what you pay for.

You really didn't understand what I posted did you. As for a LFS lying, I never said it couldn't happen. I know it does happen all the time, just like a wholesaler or a trans-shipper lies too.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

The vast majority of clownfish for sale are aqua-cultured even at Petco which I believe are actually ORA fish or at least they used to be. Adult sized pairs are a different story and those are infrequent and lauded as being wild caught.

I believed most of Petco Tank Bred clownfish are ORA. However, for buyers who have bad luck of them having ick or so is the neligence of the store/workers not the supplier.

I have a client who bought some Petco Tank Bred ones from them the first day they were there and no ick for 3 years now. However the same school of fish in the store is not so lucky, you can see the fish starting to have signs of problem somewhat 2 days later and clearly see ick after the 3rd day.

I cannot tell whether the current clownfish breeders are doing it properly or not since I don't work there. But with careful cross breeding technique of the same trait, one can lower adnormality down the line. For example, after the first successful run of a certain color, a breeder can buy another group of similar coloring fish from another country, let say Australia, then cross bred them to lower inbreeding issue. A careful breeder can further bred the next generation with yet another stock from England.

Oh, I wonder if any marine scientist can chime in about the white color gene of the clown fish. By the look of it, it does not look like a week gene unlike albinos.

 

[bizarrecorals]

You really didn't understand what I posted did you. As for a LFS lying, I never said it couldn't happen. I know it does happen all the time, just like a wholesaler or a trans-shipper lies too.

this is sad, but true to a certain degrees.

 

[jaa1456]

Marrone I think you lost the question in translation and now this thread has nothing to do with what I actually posted haha.

 

[rickytsui]

marrone i think you lost the question in translation and now this thread has nothing to do with what i actually posted haha.

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