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Jasonny5895

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Thanks for all ur help and sympathy. Unfourtanatly today a little pecula clown died that seemed invinsible. Now my foxface is acting weird (dont know if im paranoid). However a Hippo tang looks so good and energetic (traditionally prone to ich and other illnesses). But besides him mostly tangs dies till today the clown died, which I never saw coming. I dont have a clue.

Im going to go change filter media now and retest my water (GOD GIVE ME A SIGNNNNNNN!)
 

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Jasonny, sucks losing fish.

I'm sorry but the thread is a little difficult to follow.
Although you must be very stressed, can you take a few minutes and clearly state how many fish have died and what kind of fish they were?

It's almost impossible to tell whats happening in your tank from the given information.

First, I wouldn't bother re-testing your water with those kits. If you're in the city anytime soon, I recommend you picking up some Salifert test kits from New World Aquarium on 34th street. That's the only place I know for sure that carries them. Try calling http://www.h2oaquarium.com/ and ask them if they can test your water and what brand kits they carry.
Secondly, I would recommend you back tracking anything new you've done to your tank. Try doing a big water change. Sometimes that alone solves a lot of problems.
Also, there might be chlorine in your tank, what kind of water do you use to do water changes? You mentioned you upgraded your tank, what water did you use to make the new saltwater?

One of our members had a big problem with water quality after his sister and her friends decided to do their prom hair around his tank. A few cans of hairspray later, we had ourselves one of the most interesting MR member stories.

The more ORGANIZED information you provide, the easier it is for the members here to help you.
 
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Jasonny5895

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5 fish died as of now (1 yellow tang, 1powder blue tang, kole tang, pseudochromis, pecula clown)

4 fish remain (maroon clown, foxface, hippo tang, diamond goby) aswell a colt cora, xenia, 3 anemones, brain coral, yellow polyps, mushrooms (all doing as good as Ive ever seen them.

recent additions (tonga branch, mushroom rock, anemone, and a chiller from some other guys 5 year established tank)literally the night before.

Recently I began soaking food in garlic and threw a piece in the sump (could this be a problem)

Had my hands in the tank alot the night before moving stuff (could a moisturizer or something on my skin of poisoned them) if so wouldnt it show in ammonia readings?

I upgraded from 55 (literally moved tank 10 feet) the rest of the water, I used a DI unit for filtering tap, always treat water, de-chlorinate it. I added bio spira to increase bacteria levels in water. I did this probably a month ago. If water wasnt cycled yet would it show on one of the two tests? Wouldnt the fish of been lethargic for at least a couple days. This was from 0-60, one day all out all over the place to one day, corpses everywhere
 

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Thanks Jasonny.

You said you have a Rio 1700 running on a wavemaker. There's a thread on MR about the poor casing material used on the larger RIO models, resulting in stray current. Another member had suggested getting a grounding probe, I would too. To be safe, I'll recommend taking out the RIO for now and using any spare power heads you have and/or get a new one.
 
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Had my hands in the tank alot the night before moving stuff (could a moisturizer or something on my skin of poisoned them) if so wouldnt it show in ammonia readings?

A lot of things besides ammonia can kill a fish. Yes a moisturizer or a soap or any hand product (even possibly something you ate or touched) could wipe out tankmates. Think about this for a few minutes... what do you use on your hands normally... look up the ingredients... ammonia is probably not there, but something else may be.
 

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Thanks for all ur help and sympathy. Unfourtanatly today a little pecula clown died that seemed invinsible. Now my foxface is acting weird (dont know if im paranoid). However a Hippo tang looks so good and energetic (traditionally prone to ich and other illnesses). But besides him mostly tangs dies till today the clown died, which I never saw coming. I dont have a clue.

Double-check your math on the number of fish that have died so far. First it was six, then seven, then your percula clown died... which should bring it to eight. Otherwise something is fishy here!
 
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Henrye

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Taking this back a step, this all supposedly started after adding some Tonga rock, mushroom rock, anemone, and a 5 year old chiller. Pull all of them out, as they are the one change you made before the mass extinction. Personally, my money is on the old chiller, something leaching or leaking into the return water. The rocks and anemone are not likely the issue, but you have to start somewhere and a tank reset to its prior condition would be my first step. Once they're out (hate to harp on it without proof yet, but certainly the chiller) see if there's any further death. Do some large water changes on the assumption that a toxin is likely in the tank. Add a poly filter to pick up any funky organics or heavy metals.

I doubt stray current is the issue. Stray, very low level current flow is possibly associated with chronic diseases in fish, especially HLLE. It does not electrocute fish. If there were a sudden current flow though to ground, they would all be dead (there's no fish more resistant to electrocution than another). Also, if there was a potentially significant current potential in the tank seeking ground when you stuck your hands in, you probably would be posting here from the grave, which I would find slightly creepy.

The issue of stray current in a tank is somewhat blurry. I think a more precise way to think about it is current potential (voltage). If there is no path to ground, there will be no flow just because of “current potential”. A live wire cannot just shoot out electrons. It needs to complete a circuit to somewhere, usually ground. When you stick your hands in you may precipitate a current flow to ground, with you as part of the circuit, taking the route of least resistance, which may very well include passing through your fish. This is why GFCI is so important, not a grounding probe, which just converts the potential into a current flow, usually of low amperage. Inductive motors like a typical power head, functioning normally, by definition also create an electromagnetic field potential. That's how a sealed motor can spin a magnet on the impeller shaft.

Getting back on topic, you've placed an old chiller in your system. It might even be older than 5 years, depending on how and when the prior owner obtained it. Chillers have evolved, and continue to evolve to this day. New refrigerants, new alloys, are all being employed to improve efficiency and by regulations banning fluorocarbons as a refrigerant. So, depending on its original construction, I can think of many scenarios (failed seals, material buildup on interior of coils, saltwater corrosion of coils, compressors leaking oils, a long list so throw in anything else you think of) which might poison your tank.

Also, how is your chiller circulating? Are you using an old pump that came with it? Did you use a new pump? Is the plumbing original or did you replace it with new? Any metal hose clamps underwater? Maybe the source lies in association with the chiller, rather than the chiller itself.

Hopefully the source for your losses will come out over time. But, at least remove whatever you put in that was added right before the fish died.

I'm sorry for your loss. Losing those beautiful fish is painful.

I hope some of this helps.

Henry
 
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im taking a guess here ,,maybe your 5 year old chiller is leak freon* into the tank .as was state above ,this is doutfuly dectected with our test kits ,,

henrye said it best ,take off all the new item you installed ,do a big water change and see how things work out
 

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if there's a chance the chiller put something into the water I would get a couple of polly pads(in addition to the water change) and run them in the sump. they should take out anything the chiller put in.
 

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I don't use a chiller, so I'm asking this in all sincerity. Would you be running a chiller in the middle of the winter? Does your equipment heat up your water that much even at this time of year?
 
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Russ, the heat in my apartment comes on SO STRONG in the winter that if I don't leave the window open, the water in my tank easily heats to 86 degrees. I was considering running my chiller. But instead, for the sake of the electric bill, we just leave a window open to cool is down.
 

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Lissa, that's amazing. Talk about your landlord wasting heat. Imagine how much lower your rent could be if they only regulated your heat. They've got this newfangled invention nowadays, it's called a thermostat :rolleyes: J/K

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Ive noticed some skin discolorations on the clown that died and the yellow tang (not ich but some blotchy discolorations, as well cloudyness over the eyes and a white film on eyes, almost like white skin)
 

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Ive noticed some skin discolorations on the clown that died and the yellow tang (not ich but some blotchy discolorations, as well cloudyness over the eyes and a white film on eyes, almost like white skin)

Sounds like brooklynella. See Below:
Brooklynella Hostilis
This parasite infection is commonly known as "Clownfish Disease", because it is so frequently a problem with clownfish, especially wild-caught. Although it is seen most often in clownfish, other species can suffer from infection. Symptoms are usually noticed on only one or two fish to begin with, but it can spread rapidly. Brooklynella hostilis is fast acting and can kill in just a couple of days if left unchecked.
Some possible visible symptoms are the following:
• Increased mucus production
• Loss of appetite
• Turbidity of the skin
• String-like material hanging from the fish
• Increased respiration, or even open-mouth gasping
• Hyperactivity in early stages
• Hiding or reclusiveness
• Cloudy eyes associated with secondary bacterial infections
• Faded colors or discolored areas
• Lethargic in late stages
• Hanging at the surface or laying on the bottom in late stages of infection
• Rapid weight loss associated with dehydration, as fish lose their ability
to osmoregulate.
• Loose scales
• Secondary bacterial infections

from marineaquariumadvice.com


Was the clown your first loss?

Henry
 

basiab

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What size tank and how long has it been running.
The tempurature drop is probably not the culprit. I recently dropped to 72 from 78 because my boiler broke but I did not lose anything.
The additions you made could be the cause if it is a small tank.
Are you sure it is 1.21. To me that is low and if you are using a hydrometer (like me) it can be off quite a bit. Or maybe your additions introduced something to your water that your fish were just not used to.
What are you using to test your water. I use Aquarium Pharmaceuticals and I found out that each bottle has a date code and they do become unreliable after a while. In any case it is a bummer.
 

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