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bueller

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the people seem so much more happy and the quality of life is better.. cleaner air they r less stress

HOW TRUE... IT TOOK ME 2 DAYS TO DE-COMPRESS WHEN WE WENT TO TEXAS. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT... EVERYONE WAS NICE AND ACTUALLY ASKED, HOW'S YOU DAY... NOBODY BEEPS AT YOU THE MINUTE THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN...LOL, EVERYTHING IS CLEAN!! WHEN WE WERE ON OUR WAY HOME BACK IN NY YOU CAN FEEL ALL THE STRESS COME BACK...IT JUST SUCKS.. WHO'S CURSING EACH OTHER OUT FROM SOME STUPID ROAD RAGE AND CAN YOU BELIEVE THE KIDS ACTUALLY WEAR BELTS ON THEIR PANTS OUT THERE OR THEY MUST HAVE BOUGHT THE RIGHT SIZE PANTS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HANGING OFF THEIR ASSES...

HERE'S SOME PICTURES FROM THE WOODLANDS TEXAS:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/houston/75818-woodlands-photos-4-06-a.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/houston/191913-woodlands-photos-11-07-a.html
 
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For all those that complain about living here; why are you still here? Why not gather up the nerve and move? I know a few of our members took the plunge. Leaving had to be one of the most nerve racking things to do.
 
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This is a way bigger topic than just "crazy taxes" and that people are leaving because of them. :tub:

You can blame high taxes on the state politics. Both NY and NJ are rated highest in the US for property taxes =0) And states like cali and texas that were mentioned also have their high property tax areas as well. Those are the nicer areas that used to be the low cost "move to" areas from 20-40 years ago.

It really depends on what type of person you are, and from what point your seeing the city from, both area wise and financially. There are people who prefer suburbia over metro, or the people who like the outdoors and alot of acreage and a town that doesn't go past a main ave/street and can afford to live in those areas comfortably. So, If your really not to happy with NYC then maybe its better to go somewhere you would enjoy living. There are the people that com here from all over, or to any major city for that matter, for certain things that are missing from where they came from. And vice versa. And im sure as many complaints on the downs of living in a metro area you can find on the less crowded rural areas where your getting certain lifestyle perks like having a free carwash at the mall.

I personally couldn't live permanently anywhere else aside from a few other busier areas of the US. The opportunities are too great here compared to other places and the tempo of nyc is perfect. I would pay the extra taxes from going crazy anywhere else, even with that cheap suburbia home and low property taxes. And ive had the opportunity to see the other side since i was a little kid about the rural side of it all. Its too slow, days start and end early, not enough work or pay which holds true to most of the low property tax areas. Does that make up for less stress and more outdoors time/ect? i dunno. My whole family has vacation houses 2 states out, and i grew up there pretty much during the summers and still go there so i have that stress relief and the outdoors time when i need. I still would not move to that rural of a place for good. There is good and bad to both styles of life.

The majority of areas you will move to have comparable grocery prices as well as prices on goods. Gas prices will be 10-15 cents lower but you will be forced to drive everywhere you go, most likely making up that property tax cash your saving unless your doing alot of driving here. Also your income will most likely be lower and there will be less jobs available. And its not like you can move anywhere and get the better quality of living. There are only a few choice spots that offer good income with low cost of living. And alot of those areas from 10-20 yrs ago are now the hotspots for the way way better off people moving in, building those mansions and raising prices =0)
 
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bueller

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everyone will have their own opinion but i think the majority of people leaving is because of the cost of living here, at least people with city jobs with a 20 year retirement.

For all those that complain about living here; why are you still here? Why not gather up the nerve and move?

I think most people that are still here are finishing up their 20 year job to go somewhere else with a pension because:

Also your income will most likely be lower and there will be less jobs available.
 
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Last couple years, I have travelled couple states and conducting business, meeting people and such.

One major thing I notice in NY is the attitude of people are very different from the states I visited. NY is the only state, amoung PA(Phili), Florida(Orlando) and Kansas(Kansas City), people would say this phrase, "If you don't like this place so much, get the F**K out of here". In Kansas, I can see discrimination is severe in some area but people will generally say, "I am sorry you don't like it here".

Another major thing, is the ability of general workers (did not have chance to deal with high executives in those states). In Orlando and Kansas City, they are excellent workers. I went to Costco(I think), the OLD lady in the front doing the people count clicks and checking ID will greet me with, "Welcome to (Costco), what can I do for you?" I replied, "I am here to look at some 52" range Plasma. She then point me(actually took my hand) to the 52" TV and start telling which one is good or not good. When I told her I come to look at a particular model because it looks similar to the other one in the ad of BestBuy. She told me they are the same just that the manufacturer are now IDing the sale channel by using different model numbers. WOW, how knowledgable for a greeting door lady! I did the same in in NY's Costco. The doorman, of course, knew nothing of the where about of the items even though they are only 20 feet away. The salesman for that particular TV section told me, "they are all listed on the tag, check there" and walks aways real quick(should I say run). I also once experienced this in J&R where I usually feel the saleman are good. I asked to listen to some Bose speakers in the hearing room. The salesman refused. I have to call Corporate Sale and the manager of the department call right to the retail and tell the salesman to turn on the demo. Try to ask for help in Homedepot in Flushing-it will be a memorable experience. I am thinking of filming a documentary about this. LOL. This seems to indicate jobs are VERY abundant in NY that salesman(general workers) never feared for loosing their jobs, so they have no need to serve nor improve their own product/business knowledge nor the attitude.

Salary higher of lower? I did not compare directly but here is the real life example-you tell me after you compared the numbers. In Kansas, I posted an ad for hiring reception with high school education or above. $10 per hour, 8 hours a day, SAT OT 1.5 times. Only 2 persons, who did not graduate in high school, called in 2 weeks. It ends up $14 per hour before I can get the reception. The salesman and reception I got there are perfectly on time, work OT on their own without asking to pay them extra. I hired the reception to block sales call more than serving my own clients. LOL. That seems to me that they are true to their jobs(especially cold callers), respect it, have a great wish to improve their skills and probably also fear to loose their jobs.

In Orlando, the gas is $2.67 for the most expensive one, a week ago. cigarettes are $4.X per pack but no one smoke there. In NY, 6/7 out of 10 visited my open house smoke. Probably people in Florida smoke something else. Chinese take out box is $4.5, Vietnam sandwich $3.50, McDonald Deluxe Breakfast x 2 and an Ice Mocha $6.XX altogether!!!!! New house rental < $1500 with wood flooring, looks like 50 feet x 50 feet house, 2 floors The master bedroom is similar in size with a floor of most Brooklyn Bensonhurst Houses. Ha, but I think the most crowded places would be Disneyland or may be World Wild Coral. I got no chance to visit neither. I am only 5 mintues away from Universal Studio but still got no chance to go. Oh, one more trick, don't just buy ticket at the booth. There are many ways to get lower rate tickets if you asked around-in fact, people offer the service if they know you are out of town visiting. I worked with couple law enforcement guys down there and seems not much bossing around to the general citizens. Young people who visited my friend's Billard/KTV there really drink soda and avoid anything alcohol, LOL. The reverse is true in NY, young people ask for liquor and frick out when the servers refuses. LOL. I cannot help laughing about this because even my young artists hate me for not letting them drink liquor.
 
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Oh, I think the pay for law enforcement personnels in NY are actually lower than many other states.

Also, remember to ask for discount when you are down in Orlando(except in my booth in MACNA.) I were more than reluctant to ask the saleman when my friend told me to ask for discount, but it worked. I got 6% off plus a free EV microphone!!! I am going to try the same in SAM Ashe NY tomorrow. LOL. My friend told me that down there, it's a common practice to ask for discount even in nationwide chain stores.
 
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bueller

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Oh, I think the pay for law enforcement personnels in NY are actually lower than many other states

I would have to do alittle research on that, i believe after these past raises NY is higher paid...but i can be wrong
 

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i could leave, but my wife wont because her family is here, and i kinda like being able to see my kid daily, we moved back to ohio few yr's back and my wife couldnt handle being away from here family, so 5k later and 4 weeks i was back in NY. All i can say and i have lived in 2 other states, Indiana and ohio. i make the same amount of money here as i did there, made a good living there, i'm borderline lower class here. other then offering multiples of the same thing NY offer's nothing that any other state doesnt. and you can always order online if they dont have it, on the general people are nasty attituded, always tripped my wife out when we went back to the mid-west just how nice people were. open doors for you, say thank you ect. for those that have only visited other states you really dont know how they are. most people that have grown up in cities couldnt handle the quiet and peacefulness of the country or small town, just my 2 cents
 

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for those that have only visited other states you really dont know how they are. most people that have grown up in cities couldnt handle the quiet and peacefulness of the country or small town

as soon as I can get there,,, I'M There :)....and YES I"M bringing my reef tank...don't tell my wife though...LOL :)
 

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Another major thing, is the ability of general workers (did not have chance to deal with high executives in those states). In Orlando and Kansas City, they are excellent workers. I went to Costco(I think), the OLD lady in the front doing the people count clicks and checking ID will greet me with, "Welcome to (Costco), what can I do for you?" I replied, "I am here to look at some 52" range Plasma. She then point me(actually took my hand) to the 52" TV and start telling which one is good or not good. When I told her I come to look at a particular model because it looks similar to the other one in the ad of BestBuy. She told me they are the same just that the manufacturer are now IDing the sale channel by using different model numbers. WOW, how knowledgable for a greeting door lady!

That's because she is probably over qualified (phd in microbiology perhaps:scratchch) for the position and that is the best job that she can kind find in Kansas.
 
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bueller

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That's because she is probably over qualified for the position and that is the best job that she can kind find in Kansas.

or just the people that work in costco in NY SUck and don't give a s&iT...and she just takes pride in her job....you know, at least I know some that do....PRIDE>>>that's what this country needs...not a hand out from the government...you know
 
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as soon as I can get there,,, I'M There :)....and YES I"M bringing my reef tank...don't tell my wife though...LOL :)

I don't think your wife is going to complain after she acclimate to the culture there. In Florida Orlando, a little girl(4 yrs old) in the resturant would tell me how to do the fresh water fish thing like cleaning the glass and feeding. In Kansas, I have seen kids keeping SPS in nano's while his father owns tanks around 500G. LFS there have more than 5 10 old 150G+ old tanks laying around from people upgrading. The last SW meet in Kansas I went, 30% attendance are teens. Most members come with their significant half. In those states, reefing is a family thing. In Florida Orlando, I guess the stress of water leak is minimal as they don't have donwstairs issues. Most houses do not even basement. So, let it leak. The most it does is killing some grass right out side the wall and they got to be cut almost everyday anyway.
 
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bueller

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Most houses do not even basement. So, let it leak. The most it do is killing some grass right out side the wall and they got to be cut almost everyday anyway.
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LOL...That is true, A friend of mine lives there close to the beach and he does his water changes from the ocean... I called him a cheap bastard... but I am jealous...:)
 

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We don't want the weak ones here anyway.

Just curious what makes this person "weak" ?

Is it the fact that she is a woman.
A single mother.
That she is 52 years old.
That she chose to move to Florida.
Or maybe the fact that she dedicated a minimum of 20 years of her life to a job of serving and upholding the law.

Let me see, she retired as a Detective, which would mean that she has seen more than her share of things that would make other individuals cry,or worse. If she retired this year, then she started her job in 1989. which would mean that she has seen first hand many of the stories that some only see in the papers, and thank god that they weren't there to witness it first hand. Maybe she was one of those NYPD personnel present during Sept. 11,2001 that while most were running for their lives, she was willing to lose hers to save as many as she could.

what ever the reason,I for one see her as courageous, for leaving all that she knows behind and starting fresh. It takes a brave individual to just pack up and head into unknown territory.
 

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For all those that complain about living here; why are you still here? Why not gather up the nerve and move? I know a few of our members took the plunge. Leaving had to be one of the most nerve racking things to do.

Once I graduate I'm looking to leave. This place is way to expensive and the traffic and grumpy people make me *almost* want to move back to the south. I think I'll head out California-way.
 

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live better...everywhere but here...why is that??

Better? Really?

So the MET, Brooklyn Museum, and Guggenheim (along with countless others) are in these places?

Is there a corner store has everything you need on a daily basis?

Is there a choice of every type of food you can think of there?

You can get around these "better places" for $2 without driving?

I could continue ad nauseum, but my point is this:

Like everything else in the world, you get what you pay for. You can either deal with the downside, or move.

NY offers a lot more than any of these other places mentioned, and if you take advantage of even a few of them, it's the greatest place in the world to live.
 

bueller

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Better? Really?

LOL...IMo ...yes

So the MET, Brooklyn Museum, and Guggenheim (along with countless others) are in these places?

No but I'm pretty sure each state has their own MET, Museum..ect But I think the topic from post #1 is the reason why everyone is leaving is bacause you have a better Quality of life elsewhere for half the money....

Is there a corner store has everything you need on a daily basis?

Don't think so...but Personally, you can keep the bodaga's with the garbage that are going in and out of them and send the sleeper cells back to their own country!

Is there a choice of every type of food you can think of there?

I believe so, but I think we have the best Pizza here in Ny [ it's in the water ;) ] but I need to lay off the bread anyway...I'm getting fat...LOL :)

You can get around these "better places" for $2 without driving?

Yes...lol and I think it might cost you more then $2 in the city here to get around.

Like everything else in the world, you get what you pay for. You can either deal with the downside, or move.

I would agree with you, that's why we went to take a look ... I needed to see "What's the catch" and I found out there isn't one it justs cost more to live here... and yes That is why We Will be moving as soon as we can.

NY offers a lot more than any of these other places mentioned, and if you take advantage of even a few of them, it's the greatest place in the world to live.

That's your opinion Just like I have mine...and thats fine. I wish everyone well that stay's but some of us Just gotta go...See Y'all ...LOL :)
 

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