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ReefnQueens

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So I went to a job to do some work for a friend today and he asked me to drill a hole in the bottom of a 14,000 btu air conditioner pan to let water out because water was getting kicked up into the fan blades and going into the customers house(who is also one of my friends)..... I drill through the pan in the front bottom corner and hit the u-shaped part of the copper coil thing that goes through the radiator thingy with a 1/4" drill bit ( I nicked it) and out comes about 150psi of condensed air or freon (not sure,no smell) ........I can probably get away with soldering the part I drilled, but not sure how to get the pressure back in there and if it's air or freon.....arghhhhhh it was the last and 9th hour of work and this happens , just my luck! If anyone has experience with this and can help me out or guide me in the right direction, I can either throw u some frags, $100 if you fix it, or I dunno I just need help lol

I have the a/c in the back of my truck
 

Arati

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once its brazed you can re-charge the system with a bottle of freon and check for leaks with soapy water.

you need to pressurize the system , so unless you know someone you may have to call a pro
 

ReefnQueens

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Uh oh. I think that you need to BRAZE those lines since they are high pressure.
once its brazed you can re-charge the system with a bottle of freon and check for leaks with soapy water.

you need to pressurize the system , so unless you know someone you may have to call a pro

I've soldered miles of waterlines and electronics so I'm very comfortable with that ....brazing I know is the same thing but your using more of a solid stick....is there a special flux ? Or a special type of brazing material?.....and do most ac's have a input valve where I can hook up the freon and is it a similiar hook up like a car one that has the gauge on the can? And are there different freons for different ac's ?
 

akma

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I feel you. Few days ago I was at my pops deli and his display pipes iced up. I took an ice picker and poked a hole in the pipe. Freon was shooting out like crazy. Had to get it welded by a professional. Depending on the coil, might be cheaper to just replace then get it fixed.
 

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You will need special tools to do this work including vacuuming down the lines with a vacuum pump and adding the correct amount of whatever refrigerant is required for that unit. Whoever repairs it will probably cut out the bad part of the pipe and put in a coupler. This is not a DIY repair.
 

ReefnQueens

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I understand , I'm not looking to make it a project, im loooking for someone who knows exactly how to do this because its not impossible.....and someone who knows how to do this it'll prob take 10 minutes.....and as far as buying tools I don't mind becaus tools are tools and I can never have enough tools ......besides needing to fix this this thing , buying tools and gaining knowledge is always worth more than just buying tools .... So whoever can help me out with what I need to learn please hit me up......I'm gonna end up,driving to an airconditoner place not too far from me tomorrow and see how much for them to fix .....if its out of control, then I'll just buy the freon ,braze the pipe , figure out what I need to do as far as vacuuming the lines , then fill up with freon and do a pressure test and check for leaks
 

jaa1456

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First you gotta find out if you can even recharge the unit at all. It sounds like a window unit and most of them are not rechargable. They make them like that on purpose, Second all you had to do was make sure it was at an angle so the water would have drained out the back. Most newer AC's are meant to run with water in the pan even on an angle. It helps with the cooling. And if you put an oxy/acytelone torch to that thin copper kiss it good bye. But I would start by calling the manufacturer and seeing if it could be charged at all and then go from there. Ask them if they know of any reapair shops, It might be cheaper just going out and buying a completely new unit.
 
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First off, you'll have to see if it is aluminum, copper OR aluminum coverinr the copper.

If it's aluminum over the copper, than you'll have to scrape the aluminum back to expose the copper.

If you've a novice with Brazing ...you should NOT braze!!! The hotter the copper becomes, the more you create carbon on the INSIDE of the refrigeration lines which can later CLOG the orifice/metering device. You can also melt a huge hole if it is aluminum. There are fluxes for brazing for use with refrigeration. It's white, semi-chaulky paste.

I'd use an Acetylene torch with a "low-temp soldering tip" and not a "hi-temp Turbo tip".

If it's aluminum, you have to TIG weld it..... and it's probably too thin to attempt that and will just create a larger hole so it's garbage at that point usually.

There USED TO BE an epoxy product that you could use to seal refrigeration leaks but I haven't seen it in a long time so I think it's no longer available.

If it's copper, then get either "Stay-Brite", "Stay-Silv" OR "Bridgit" SOLDERS that contain higher amounts of SILVER and can close most gaps that aren't ginormous. Be sure not to overheat the solder and "drip" solder in the hole. If you heat up the copper too much it will actually burn and become brittle or just become a bigger hole after it melts away.

If you use "brazing rods" then you'll have to run Nitrogen thru the lines at about 0.5 PSI or so, so that carbon doesn't form inside the refrigeration lines. The trick is to have enough nitro going thru the system so you don't cause carbon flaking & NOT cause another leak in a new solder joint by the nitro pushing thru it and causing one.

IF THE OIL/REFRIGERANT/FREON IGNITES..... IT CAN SHOOT OUT FLAMING OIL AT YOU AND CREATE HIGHLY POISONESS PHOSGENE GAS THAT IS PRETTY DAMN BAD and POSSIBLY FATAL IF ENHALED!!! SO USE EXTREME CAUTION AND TAKE PRECAUTIONS OR HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO IT. IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER TO REPLACE THE A/C.

Brazing rods are made to withstand 1500 PSI and so are the above listed solders. Most solders are not made for these pressures so use one of the name brands above.

You have to sand it clean and use just a "TRACE" amount of FLUX made by one of the Solder manufacturers listed above. You do NOT want flux going inside the tubing.

NOW... comes the fun stuff. You have to ADD (2) "service ports" (like a schraeder valve on your car tires to fill with air).

One has to go on the "Suction/low pressure side" and one has to go on the "Discharge/high pressure side" and you will either have to cut in "T's" with service ports OR "drill" small holes in each line (being EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT to let any of the copper shavings to enter the refrigeration lines) and solder on "pigtails" with schraeders on them... and then follow the same rules of sanding, fluxing & soldering... (in the case of cutting in "T's", you will only flux the MALE ends of the pipe and NOT the females. Consider using a shop vac while drilling if you're going that route. Google up a "air conditioning piping schematic" online so you know what I'm talking about.

The "discharge" line may have a "filter/dryer" (typically either a black, blue or grey component that will have to be replaced OR sometimes it's just a swelled up section of copper that needs to be removed and replaced with a new filter dryer for that size system). It has to be replaced because moist air has gotten into the system and once that collects in the "media" that is inside the filter/dryer, it can release that moisture into the refrigerant system and screw all of your hard work in the end.

Now you'll need to pressurize the system with Nitrogen (so you'll need a nitro tank and regulator and refrigeration guages) and pressurize the system until you reach 100PSI and leave it in there for at least a day typically. If no leaks after 24hrs than you're good to go to the next step. You can rush it and do it for less BUT tiny leaks make it past Pros all the time so the best thing to do is wait 24hrs. Some leaks won't show up even after 24hrs because they're so minute. 1-2 PSI fluxuation after 24hrs is OKAY.


Now you need Refrigeration Guages and a Vacuum pump and vacuum the system for about 2 hours and bring it to -30 Inches of Mg.

Now you need R-22 or R-410a depending on whatever refrigerant/freon the system was made to run on and go online and get a "temperature/pressure chart" and possibly a "subcooling" & "superheat" chart for the type of refrigerant being used. These charts will make it easier for you to charge your system. You'll need thermometers to use the charts.

Best of luck!

Typically a $500-$1000 repair.

$200-350 in material.
3-5 hrs minimum of labor (typically) @ $100-175/hr.
$65-$150 just for the Service Call
 
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ReefnQueens

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Duck tape worked ,thanks Jimmy! Lolll....... So yesterday morning I drop the a/c off at a shop on metropolitan ave , they're gonna take a better look at it today to see if its fixable....if it is it won't cost more than 300, if it's not than the new model of the one I got cost about 940.....?so 300 or 940......let's hope it's fixable....if not my friend has an ac for me that just needs a controller....well see when I get the call today , I'll let u guys know
And thank you reef fixations for that explanation I'm holding onto that info :)
 

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Reef Fixations, great info. You're a gentleman and a scholar for taking the time to post that.

Only two tools are needed in life, Duct Tape to secure the things that move, but shouldn't.
And WD40 to lubricate the things that don't move but should.

GL and hope it's a $300 fix.

Russ
 

tomtoothdoc

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Reef Fixations, great info. You're a gentleman and a scholar for taking the time to post that.

Only two tools are needed in life, Duct Tape to secure the things that move, but shouldn't.
And WD40 to lubricate the things that don't move but should.

GL and hope it's a $300 fix.

Russ

i would add 2 more things....

vise grip......one size breaks all

shop vac.....to clean up the mess you just broke.
 
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Reef Fixations, great info. You're a gentleman and a scholar for taking the time to post that.

Only two tools are needed in life, Duct Tape to secure the things that move, but shouldn't.
And WD40 to lubricate the things that don't move but should.

GL and hope it's a $300 fix.

Russ

Thanks Russ, but anyone that knows me, knows that I'm not civilized enough to be referred to as such. =) ............and that's a great quote about the DT & WD40. I'm going to use that from now on.


ReefnQueens: Becareful on the $300 fix. Guys sometimes use cheap "piercing valves" that are basically 2 half-circle pieces of metal held by a screw on each end to clamp on to a pipe and on one side there is a flathead screw that pierces the copper and just like that, you now have a service port.

The problem is that they ALWAYS leak whether it be in a month or a season or 2 and now you're back to square one.

Lots of guys don't evacuate (vacuum) a system and just fill it with refrigerant. This is a big problem. Unless it is an experienced tech doing it on the side, $300 seems scarey to me.

Air conditioners don't actually cool air. They actually remove heat from a room. The part the the A/C that is in your home and feels cool, is actually boiling refrigerant inside. The reason it boils at such a low temp is because it in a vacuum.

Just like those novelty pens that have a glass spiral on top filled with colored water; the heat from our hands is enough to make the water boil because that water is in a vacuum and now doesn't require 210 degrees F. Same goes for the refrigerant. So if they don't pull a proper vacuum and just fill it with refrigerant, it just won't work right and will have a much higher boiling point.

So the A/C unit needs the heat from the room to keep the refrigerant boiling to work properly.

The hot air that it blows outside, is pretty much the heat that the A/C has removed from your home and it's getting rid of it.
 
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i would add 2 more things....

vise grip......one size breaks all

shop vac.....to clean up the mess you just broke.

Between these lines and every other method of a quick fix then why even bother trying..........

If this is how everyone feels about fixing things then let's take it one step futher.

ReefnQueens....... I don't know what you're talking about with that A/C not working because the A/C feels GREAT IN MY HOUSE!!!

=) j/k guys
 

ReefnQueens

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Duck tape worked ,thanks Jimmy! Lolll....... So yesterday morning I drop the a/c off at a shop on metropolitan ave , they're gonna take a better look at it today to see if its fixable....if it is it won't cost more than 300, if it's not than the new model of the one I got cost about 940.....?so 300 or 940......let's hope it's fixable....if not my friend has an ac for me that just needs a controller....well see when I get the call today , I'll let u guys know
And thank you reef fixations for that explanation I'm holding onto that info :)
 

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