Can my floors support a 240 Gal?

[motortrendz]

+1.. every unit is a seale concrete box fully contained within itself for fire proofing. all hirises are built that way... for fire rating the concrete is abt 18 in thick in the floors and abt 8-12 on the walls.. the major dammage will be in your unit.. not below not next to.. unless it runs out your front door into the common area.. but if it WILL contain a fire, it WILL contain water!.. have fun!

 

[flipit13]

i just disagree with the sealed from water, but agree with fire. i have seen water pour through a 2ft thick poured concrete foundation all you need is a little escape and water will find its way around. the only way concete is water tight is when epoxy sealed even then still a risk. but i did mean his place cause alot of insurances dont cover saltwater damage. just my .02

 

[motortrendz]

yes the risk for water to seep thru is there but if theres any kind of operning that water will trave thru freely fire will find it as well and follow it thru like a blow torch.. typical fire behavior..doesnt matter if its a 1 in crack.. itll cause a fire to spread int any void.. and will fail anykind of hi rise codes.. in a hi rise fire you are told to stay in your apptment bc its the safest place to be.. just a firemans thought.. im no engineer by anymeans.. well maybe a demolition engineer,...lol

 

[flipit13]

lol your funny motor

 

[grisha]

..
1.Water will go through the floors...for instance, all your plumbing risers run through the monolith concrete floors.
2. Fireproofing is not water proofing lol
3.without going in to force x distance = moment, ASK THE SUPER IF IT IS OK TO PUT A GRANITE PEDESTAL FOR GRANDMAS PICTURE IN THE LIVING ROOM...In that type of building yes it is ok...i really do not want to run calculations without knowing exactly location of the tank from the beam and so on
4. think of your tank like about a full jacuzzi tub
good luck...
PS there is many solutions for ppl with money in situations like this....one of it is a lead pan under the sub floor...many custom apartments has it already under the kitchens or anytyhing what called "wet area"...

 

[JimmyR1rider]

Grisha- the plumbing runs up yes but is tightly sealed in concrete- the pipes are ran for that floor and stick out through the rebar that gives the concrete its strength after they pour it and the concrete encases the conduit that's also ran before that floor is poured that encases the electrical services for that floors apartments. The only building where water damage is a problem with large amounts of water getting out of the original apartment are wood framed buildings- private dwellings(houses)- taxpayers(strips of stores) and the H type apartment buildings(the older ones with fire escapes) where they arent fireproof construction- the poured concrete buildings are never a problem-
Hed have it cleaned up WAAAAAY before any amount of that even seeped into the concrete(the flooring on top of the concrete is another story).

Street just keep this in mind- I dont mean to dwell on firefighting stuff but it actually applies to the responses youve gotten- When we go to a working legitemate fire in a building such as yours, the hoselines we stretch and operate off our rigs deliver 250 gallons per minute EACH and we usually have at least 2 stretched but usually use only one unless its a real heavy fire load then well have to use 2 to make an advance and times the next figures by 2- the average fire load takes if the fire goes well 15- 20 minutes to extinguish- so if the math is done- 250 a minute and well go on the light side 15 min.= we will dump 3750 gallons of water in that apartment- after the fire we check al surrounding apartments the ones from directly below to above it. The apartment even right under the fire apartment is good to go. The only place that gets jacked up other than the apartment involved is the hallway and stairs which we use to drain the hoselines so we save some water damage to the poor persons belongings(whatever they have left). So on that note I think your 240 gallon tank and your sump amount of water will not pose a threat to any water problems on the floor below- the only places that are soaked on the floors under the fire is in the stariwells because we drain our hoses into there so we dont put anymore water than necessary in the poor persons apartment- a few thousand gallons is enough

 

[ryangrieder]

well, jonrobbins had a 150g tank on the 19th floor. i saw it myself. maybe talk to him and see what he did to figure everything out.

 

[russellbravo]

just have a utility pump and a stack of towels next to the tank and your good to go.

 

[JimmyR1rider]

just have a utility pump and a stack of towels next to the tank and your good to go.

+1 very good idea russell

 

[henrye718]

It will hold it, put it on a outside load bearing wall (a wall wear the other side is outside in the street). Make sure you do not place it somewhere where there is a window in the apartment directly below it or any floor below that.

 

[street fish]

Thank you everyone for your input - found the building specs, more to come