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GreshamH":2goumy6r said:
What is that green line Chris? I've seen it on plenty of massive corals like that one.


A Sharpie marking something?
 
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seamaiden":3tvxvwdz said:
He's showing me the core of a large coral head that died back in... the '80s I believe.

Nope.

This core sample may provide the kind of data the global warming naysayers insist we don't have, the kind that may demonstrate that it is human activity, and SOLELY human activity, that has spurred this latest warming event.

The idea is to establish pre-anthropogenic climate variability: magnitude, temporal and spatial distributions and scales.
 
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GreshamH":2mklebs2 said:
What is that green line Chris? I've seen it on plenty of massive corals like that one.

I'm not sure which one you mean? Normally there is an "organic layer" just below the tissue that only lasts for about 0.5-1 cm.
 
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coprolite":3jar8kwq said:
GreshamH":3jar8kwq said:
What is that green line Chris? I've seen it on plenty of massive corals like that one.

I'm not sure which one you mean? Normally there is an "organic layer" just below the tissue that only lasts for about 0.5-1 cm.

In the pic I posted there is a 2 - 6CM thick green band which appears about 2 CM below the tissue.
 
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GreshamH":18jjb7gs said:
coprolite":18jjb7gs said:
GreshamH":18jjb7gs said:
What is that green line Chris? I've seen it on plenty of massive corals like that one.

I'm not sure which one you mean? Normally there is an "organic layer" just below the tissue that only lasts for about 0.5-1 cm.

In the pic I posted there is a 2 - 6CM thick green band which appears about 2 CM below the tissue.

Endolithic algae. Very very common, especially in more porous species.
 
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I posted this in the sump because it's not relevant to general reefkeeping discussion.
 
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coprolite":lb9tf1gm said:
seamaiden":lb9tf1gm said:
He's showing me the core of a large coral head that died back in... the '80s I believe.

Nope.

This core sample may provide the kind of data the global warming naysayers insist we don't have, the kind that may demonstrate that it is human activity, and SOLELY human activity, that has spurred this latest warming event.

The idea is to establish pre-anthropogenic climate variability: magnitude, temporal and spatial distributions and scales.
OOoookaay... where did I pull a coral head that died in the 80s from? :? Wait, lemme check... :oops:

Yep, my ass. It was hidden in there this whole time! :lol:
 

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To use this coral as a paleo barometer to support Global warming, is kind of silly.

This coral died during the coldest period in the modern Keys history.

... the earth cooled from 1940 to 1970 which is near the point at which this coral gave out.(1946 was also the only year global Co2 levels fell )
Did WWII somehow trigger the global cooling from 1940 to 1970s?

1970 to 1980 was the coldest decade in North America during the last Century (1900s).
and Florida had many record deep freezes lasting into in the late 1980s.

If this coral died in 1980, this was at the same time at which most of the corals disappeared from in the Keys. long before the warm periods of the 1990s.

I was in Florida during the 1970s and standing in 15 degree mornings at the bus stop. (riding to school)
Then again freezing my but working outside in Florida during the 1983 and 1989 record 100 year cold freezes.( not one but two record 100 year freezes in a single decade)
(The cold spell killed thousands of 100 year old Camphor trees so it kind of hard to argue the time frame of when the last time it got that cold)

back then it was too cold for anybody to questioned the idea that the world was cooling and it had been a log time since it had ever been this cold in Florida.


Your coral died a few years after it snowed in Miami in 1977.

(not the year after Gore's smoke and forklift pony show)

This coral died a few years after the scientific community and the temperature data of 1940 to 1975 overwhelmingly agreed with the 1975 Time magazine piece that global cooling is a reality and we Humans need to address it.

Will you be using this coral core to show why the atmosphere in the lower troposphere is cooling (against the laws of the greenhouse effect)
or why global temperatures have decreased for the past ten years straight if not then what will its examination do to promote the idea that Co2 is causing temperature increases?

There is plenty the learn from such a specimen.


....Use this corals core to investigate why corals in the Keys flourished during a period in time at which they should not have.

You know from your studies that it was not until the Florida Keys were developed by mr. Flagler and his railroad construction that he corals of the keys began to flourish.
How could it be that man made activities like massive soil erosion from road building and rail road bridges could stimulate the corals to grow?
The corals did not seem to be happy until after humans like Flagler began to develop the keys in the 1920s.
What changes does this coral core show during this time frame?
 
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:lol: Hey, Kalk, did you happen to actually, you know, read what coprolite posted?
You should probably completely ignore my posts and just read his, because it seems that you're taking my comments and maybe misplacing them along the way. :)

Wow... I'm having a weirdness moment, too.. because, I could have sworn that the data sets show that global temps are higher over the past decade, decade and a half... hrm.
 
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Did I miss the part where I posted where this coral is even from?
 

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Also absent was the explanation of how , as the title suggests... it represents "48 inches of global warming".
It is more indicative of "Global Cooling".

The entire earth experienced cooling during the same time frame as I illustrated happened in Florida.
If it stopped growing in the 1980s , the decades leading up to its demise were cooler world wide then the average for the Century.
 
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:lol: I've landed in crazy town. Kalk, you have no idea when this coral died or where it's from.
 

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Congrats.
You baited the waters and confused the ensuing congregations which gathered around your chum.

If you were intending to post for a single viewer, I suggest you PM that particular individual instead of teasing the masses in the main forum.

There is already far too much unchallenged propaganda floating about on every topic from Global warming to the Economy.

There was a healthy 1.9 percent economic growth in the U.S. these past three months, yet ninety percent of the public seems to have been convinced the U.S. is in a recession.
[Which by definition is six months of negative growth and the U.S. has not even come close to one negative quarter, let alone two back to back.]

Imagine what the economy might be if the public and our state of mind was not being hoodwinked by the media.

And Imagine how much better off the oceans would be if people world wide felt as strongly about decreasing sewage , runoff and the overall destruction of the Seas as they do about being carbon neutral toward the sky.


The extra Co2 building up in the atmosphere originates from the ocean.
Carbon out gassing of the deep oceans is the single largest contribution to Co2 entering the atmosphere.
(hundreds of times more carbon is released from the sea then with burning of fossil fuels.)

The Co2 levels are higher over the Pacific ocean then over middle America.

The oceans need our help far more then the Troposphere.

* since I have contributed much more to this conversation then the original poster, I will conclude my participation.
I perhaps have misconstrued the original intent.
But maybe I have at least caused some of you to conger up some new perspectives you might not have had presented to you before.
.............Good day
 
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