Coral Reef Devastation Linked to Global Warming

[Len]

lfc,
I'm curious if you think there is a possibility that there is anthropogenic causation to global climate change.

If we are to concur humans are polluting the earth, isn't that enough cause for action? Or do you also think our pollution has insignificant effect on our global ecosystem?

 

[Anonymous]

I think that humans have detremental effects upon the earth's ecosystems. As in the destruction of the rainforest's, the production of electicity( Acid rain, radioactive waste). The lifestyle that we have become acustomed to is putting an ever increasing strain upon the earth. Yes steps should be taken to reduce the effects. So in this sense i agree with you. I do not agree however that we are the cause for the warming of the climate that is occuring. I have looked at both sides of the argument, i do not follow blindly.
I did watch the channel four program, i already had my views. What i did find intresting is that i am not the only one. It is taboo not to agree with the masses on this. I see global warming as an excuse, a way of control and tograb as much money as possible without any backlash from the public as it is in there intrest to pay. So in this sense i do not see that there is an "anthropogenic causation for global warming".

 

[Len]

A lot of people who believe humans contribute to global warming aren't following blindly either as you infer. The data I see doesn't support your position; Either we have strangely different interpretations of the same data or are looking at two completely different data sets.

A constructive criticism: I think you should let the facts stand as your support. Interjecting conspiracy theories (the bulk of which is based on just your government's policies no less) as "support" really is circular logic and IMO devalues your position.

 

[Anonymous]

My stance is this, i don't believe that there is a conspiracy, i do believe that it is being used to fleece people. When i look at the temperatures over the earth's history there is no way it can be classed as stable. The channel four programme was intresting but but again i do not believe what was said 100%. I don't think that we are behind the rise to the extent that is thought. I now the temp is rising but this is not a new thing, the temp on the earth is constantly changing. A graph over a thousand years is not conclusive proof that CO2 is the cause. So many things affect the climate, fluctuations in temp are constant.

 

[Anonymous]

My stance is this, i don't believe that there is a conspiracy, i do believe that it is being used to fleece people. When i look at the temperatures over the earth's history there is no way it can be classed as stable.

Really? Then you might find a figure such as this one particularly interesting.

 

[Anonymous]

You see this is the reason why i can't speak to my girlfriends mates, i have my own spoon. I like the way that you went off and spent your own time investigating this
I found the thread interesting, you see i had my doubts about global warming up until about 2003, this is when i saw the error of my ways 8O

What i do believe is that the CO2 has had a significant effect upon the heat loss of the earth. This has been happening alarmingly fast over the last decade, what has been conteracting this to in a way mask the effects is global dimming. As we decrease the amount of particles emitted into the air (with the use of scrubbers in industrial installations) we will see the effects of CO2 increase drastically. The climate models your have seen do not take this into account, so the situation could be alarmingly worse.
I also know that global warming is reasonsible for the famines within the african continent, the increased temperature has pushed the rainbelt that forms away denying needed presipitation to the countries.
The main thing that you should be worrying about though is the effects that the increased temperatures are having upon El Nino. This is causing droughts in the amazon. These periods without rainfall are killing of the rainforest. It is suprising the fine balance there is betwenn rainforest and bush. If this occurs the "lungs of the earth" will be destroyed. Most worryingly is that the rainforest is a large sink for CO2, this will then be realeased into the atmosphere accelerating the warming. In the year 2010 is when the Greenland icesheet will begin to melt, once this happens there is no going back. Masses of fresh water will be released incresing sea levels, there is also the effect that less ice means less reflection of the suns radiation.
I do think that the goverment(espacially the UK) is using this as an excuse to get increased revenue, ie the "green taxes". It would not bother me if these funds were then placed into research programs for the development of alternatives( Viable ones, not wind or solar).

You see i am very bored at the moment as i have an exam on Friday. THERMODYNAMICS. I have had to be studying for the past week, i hate maths, especially differentation. I do like causing debates (Constructive arguements)but i began to run out of things to say and repeat myself. I do not mean to offend you as i enjoy coming to this site and you all have been so helpfull, I am as my girlfriend so elegantly phrases it "an a@#e"

 

[Anonymous]

Ps the graph that was used has no bearing, you should have included a close up of the period of between "first agriculture" and today. Like that it can be used to say that the effects are down to a cycle that appears to be occuring every 100,000 years.
You acn now put me on your ignore list.

 

[Anonymous]

there is no spoon

 

[Anonymous]

I'm just a s#@t stirrer. It is nothing personal

 

[middletonmark]

What about that other CO2 issue ... the slowly dropping pH of the ocean?

Figuring we're on a reef board, the fact that pH is slowly going down, which eventually will lead to major issues with calcification in ocean creatures [corals certainly among them] ... I'm a bit concerned.

Sure, there have been reefs around for a long time. But reading Veron's descriptions of calcite-making reefs and ancient reefs are shocking as they aren't anything like what I've grown to consider a reef.

If for nothing else, I'm concerned about CO2 levels as their impact could make it difficult for scleractinians to live.

 

[Anonymous]

I watched a documentary and it showed the extent to which this occurs. There is miles of this occurring.