Meet Thomas

[Anonymous]

I don't remember giving anyone permission to use my photograph as their avatar.

 

[Anonymous]

Ok. Can I use your lil rednosed guinea pig face in my avatar? There. I asked :twisted:

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... 133#658133

 

[GSchiemer]

The carbon will prevent the octopussy from killing itself with it's own ink...

While it may cause the tank to be temporarily cloudy, octopus "ink" is not toxic.

Greg

That's right, it's not "toxic". Do you want it in YOUR tank?
Hence, run carbon. I can give you a nice list of non-toxic things that I don't want in MY tanks.
Red slime, flatworms, high nitrates...octopus ink :mrgreen:


Here is a nice website for you to peruse, Black:

http://www.tonmo.com/cephcare/keepingce ... gcephs.php

I've had octopus ink my tanks many times with no ill effects. Just a few days ago I had one ink a 12 gallon nano tank. The cloud disappears naturally after a few minutes. You can add carbon to speed up the process but there are no toxicity issues, as you've previously implied. You can add the carbon AFTER the fact. In fact, fresh carbon is much better.

BTW "Unleashed," you seem to know a lot about keeping octopi. How many and what species have you kept?

Greg

 

[Anonymous]

Geese, galleon, you mean Black isn't just another manifestation of your many personae? You and your multiple personalities should really have some kind of hotline so you can all recognize each other :twisted:

 

[Anonymous]

The carbon will prevent the octopussy from killing itself with it's own ink...

While it may cause the tank to be temporarily cloudy, octopus "ink" is not toxic.

Greg

That's right, it's not "toxic". Do you want it in YOUR tank?
Hence, run carbon. I can give you a nice list of non-toxic things that I don't want in MY tanks.
Red slime, flatworms, high nitrates...octopus ink :mrgreen:


Here is a nice website for you to peruse, Black:

http://www.tonmo.com/cephcare/keepingce ... gcephs.php

I've had octopus ink my tanks many times with no ill effects. Just a few days ago I had one ink a 12 gallon nano tank. The cloud disappears naturally after a few minutes. You can add carbon to speed up the process but there are no toxicity issues, as you've previously implied. You can add the carbon AFTER the fact. In fact, fresh carbon is much better.

BTW "Unleashed," you seem to know a lot about keeping octopi. How many and what species have you kept?

Greg

I don't keep octopi at home, just at work. And I don't like being accused of "implying" things, since I did NOT, and I don't like your tone, either. Just because you have had no ill effects, doesn't mean it's a bad idea to run carbon. People also have high nitrates, and my opinion is to lower them. Do I need to keep high nitrates to be qualified to give such advice?

Your opinion can be added here. Mine already has. I don't need to justify myself to YOU.

Since you have kept these animals, why haven't you lent any useful comments? Instead of annoying those of us trying to be of some help, why don't you add something positive here?

 

[Len]

Chris, if you'd like Black96WS6 to change his avatar, send him a friendly PM and I'm sure he'll respect your wishes. It's commonplace for people to use other people's works as their avatars for "personal" (ie. non-commercial) usage, but it's also reasonable to respect the intellectual property owner's wishes.

 

[GSchiemer]

The carbon will prevent the octopussy from killing itself with it's own ink...

While it may cause the tank to be temporarily cloudy, octopus "ink" is not toxic.

Greg

That's right, it's not "toxic". Do you want it in YOUR tank?
Hence, run carbon. I can give you a nice list of non-toxic things that I don't want in MY tanks.
Red slime, flatworms, high nitrates...octopus ink :mrgreen:


Here is a nice website for you to peruse, Black:

http://www.tonmo.com/cephcare/keepingce ... gcephs.php

I've had octopus ink my tanks many times with no ill effects. Just a few days ago I had one ink a 12 gallon nano tank. The cloud disappears naturally after a few minutes. You can add carbon to speed up the process but there are no toxicity issues, as you've previously implied. You can add the carbon AFTER the fact. In fact, fresh carbon is much better.

BTW "Unleashed," you seem to know a lot about keeping octopi. How many and what species have you kept?

Greg

I don't keep octopi at home, just at work. And I don't like being accused of "implying" things, since I did NOT, and I don't like your tone, either. Just because you have had no ill effects, doesn't mean it's a bad idea to run carbon. People also have high nitrates, and my opinion is to lower them. Do I need to keep high nitrates to be qualified to give such advice?

Your opinion can be added here. Mine already has. I don't need to justify myself to YOU.

Since you have kept these animals, why haven't you lent any useful comments? Instead of annoying those of us trying to be of some help, why don't you add something positive here?

I'd suggest going back and looking at the tone of your first reply to me. That will explain my response.

My simple one-line comment about the "ink not being toxic" was only meant to clarify your comment about the "octopussy killing itself." I just wanted everyone to be clear that the ink isn't toxic, which is a common myth. I never said using activated carbon continually was a bad idea. In fact, it's a good idea, just not imperative, as you stated.

BTW, your comment about octopi, carbon and trace elements was equally off-base. There's no reason for concern about trace elements in an octopus' aquarium.

Greg

 

[Anonymous]

I'd suggest going back and looking at the tone of your first reply to me. That will explain my response.

Not really. Not at all, in fact. You managed to completely mis-read my posts, and come back all nasty.

My simple one-line comment about the "ink not being toxic" was only meant to clarify your comment about the "octopussy killing itself." I just wanted everyone to be clear that the ink isn't toxic, which is a common myth. I never said using activated carbon continually was a bad idea. In fact, it's a good idea, just not imperative, as you stated.

Okay. Firstly, I did not state anything "imperative". In fact, my exact words were "WERE I YOU, I would keep carbon running on this tank at all times"....
This is MY OPINION and what I would do. Also I said this: "That said, I know nothing about keeping octopussies, so please keep us informed as to your progress."
ALSO I said this: "The carbon will prevent the octopussy from killing itself with it's own ink, but the carbon removes essential elements that he MAY require. I would assume so, like coral, anyways.. "

You really need to learn to READ.

BTW, your comment about octopi, carbon and trace elements was equally off-base. There's no reason for concern about trace elements in an octopus' aquarium.
Greg

See above. And since I do not know, I would appreciate some research info from you on the subject of what octopi need and do not need with regards to trace minerals and vitamins. Many other animals we keep in our reef tanks seem to require them, why not octopussses?

Some links would be nice.

 

[GSchiemer]

End of pissing contest. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Ahhh. I guess that means you aren't gonna share any links with us.

That's too bad.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for ending the pissing contest.

Now to ink -

AIUI, the reality of ceph ink is that not much that we have heard about it has actually been tested, but that is starting to change. The idea of 'pseudo morphs' and 'smoke screens' hasn't really been tested, but they do seem like good ideas. Recently there has been some research about the toxicity of some ceph ink, and it looks like some of it is, but not for all species and its not clear at what concentrations. It does look like the ink and its toxicity or lack thereof is different for different species. Also some ink may dissipates quickly while some lingers. However, I suspect that it really has more to do with the amount of ink released, and a massive inking is an amazing thing to see and lasts a long time.

I believe most of the hobby side ideas about ink toxicity comes from poor shipping practices, and collection of older animals, and the general skittishness of cephs. Often fresh cephs are found the next morning dead with ink in the tank and the assumption is the ink killed the animal. Same goes for inking in a shipping bad - although I agree with Matt that suffocation is the likely culprit, but since cephs often ink when stressed to death (it really happens) its hard to tell.

I wouldn't run a ceph tank without a good skimmer, and some carbon on hand. Although, I haven't had an inking in over a year.

BTW - Black96WS6
:welcome:
Its always nice to see people from TONMO here - are you going to the cephcon in Monterey?

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - I know of no ceph keeper, hobbyist or researcher, that adds any trace elements or vitamins to a ceph tank.

 

[Playdope]

Unleased... you sound as I did long long ago... and arrogant little bastard unable to distinguish left from right. Learn from those more wise like Greg... it will do you good.

 

[Len]

Jon, please refrain from the personal insults. It's not constructive whatsoever.

 

[Anonymous]

Unleased... you sound as I did long long ago... and arrogant little bastard unable to distinguish left from right. Learn from those more wise like Greg... it will do you good.

Confucius say:

"Those who accuse others of being unable to distinguish left from right should be able to distinguish boy from girl."

 

[Anonymous]

*snicker*

Playdope, I've been around longer than both of you, most likely. You should learn to mind your business. Greg handled himself just fine.

And I'm not a bastard. :mrgreen:

 

[Black96WS6]

BTW - Black96WS6
:welcome:
Its always nice to see people from TONMO here - are you going to the cephcon in Monterey?

Not planning on going, there would be no one to watch Thomas (or that I would trust to watch Thomas)

 

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised that no one has brought this up.
Consider also that Thomas may actually be Thomasina as octopus have a habit of coming in laden with fertile eggs. I had an O. joubini for about 6 weeks until it decided to lay her eggs in her lair and die. I just happened to notice the eggs by accident and was able to successfully raise quite a few of the hatchlings to maturity.

Regards,
David Mohr

 

[Anonymous]

And this is why you are still our hero, David