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NMreefer

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:cry: Well, this may be it. I've had another outbreak of hair algae and I'm thinking of throwing in the towel. If I do, what are my chances of selling off my equipment? I know I won't get what I've got in it, but If I could get half, that would be ok. I've got a good friend that runs a LFS and I could proly take the fish to him. As for corals and crabs and snails, will they ship? I have alot of top quality dry goods most are even less than 2 months old. This is a hard decision for me, I've even thought about downsizing just so I wouldn't have to get rid of my fish. I've gotten so attached to them. :( Well, who knows, you guys might be seeing some good equipment show up as well as a ton of live rock.

Phillip
 

hdtran

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Bummer, man, don't give up!

You can conquer hair algae. Cleanup critters, good lighting, etc., and eventually, the good algae will overgrow the bad guys. One of my friends noticed that watching pH, alk., & calcium helped the corallines, which would outcompete the hair. (Boy, I wish I could grow hair--hair, not algae, that is). Are you using R/O for makeup water? You don't need R/O-DI, but you should be able to buy 5g of R/O at the supermarket for $1 at the vending machines. NM water (at least, in ABQ) is relatively high in silicates. Hang in there!

(But if you do decide to throw in the towel, PM me. I don't know how local I am to you, but would give a good home to some of your livestock).
 

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befor you give up (like i was) try phosgaurd by 2 little fishes,worked wonders.my algea is dieing like crazy.sooooo happy now and its not aluminum base so its safe for corals.it realy works........ :D
 
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I've never tried phosguard, so I can't comment on its success, but I'm always leery of dumping chemicals into my tank. First I would try cutting the lighting cycle waaaaay down, like to 2 hrs a day, for a couple weeks.

I had a horrendous hair algae problem for awhile--it looked like a shag carpet covering literally everything in the entire tank--rocks, glass, etc. The hair on the back glass was 3" long (kind of pretty waving in the current, actually!). Anyway, I cut down on the feeding, added an extra pump for circulation, added a convict tang (mine happens to love the stuff!), and cut the lighting down to 2 hrs a day. Now I don't have any hair algae anywhere. The back glass still has some algae, but I can't tell if it's hair or not--the tang keeps it mowed to about 1/8".
 

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Another 'before you give up' story. I finally conquered a bad brown algae problem that has bothered me since May. My tank looked awful. I'd siphon the stuff out every week and still couldn't keep it under control. Turns out my problem was caused by bad water (not phosphates). I had to switch water sources when my LFS moved. I had the RO/DI water I was buying tested. TDS was 48! My original source is back online and the algae is gone.

Now, if I can just do something about those flatworms.... 8)
 

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Actually, I think the TLF product is called Phosban

Phillip,

FWIW - I can think of several reasons someone would want to get out of the hobby or breakdown a tank, (too expensive, lack of time, etc.) but don't give up because of hair algae. It's really not that hard to beat, it just takes eliminating/reducing the problem nutrient, adding some critters that eat it and some time...

-Run some Phosban to get phosphate levels down (temporary fix).
-Make sure you're using good source water (no phosphates/nitrates) for water changes and top-off.
-Be cautious about what you're putting in the tank (foods, additives, etc.).
-Get some herbivores (IME Mexican Turbo snails seem to love hair algae BTW).
-Start topping off evaporation with kalkwasser.
-Blast detritus out of your rockwork every few days or at least once a week with a turkey baster or powerhead.

HTH
 

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I had a very similar problem the first time I set my tank up, and I did choose to quit the hobby, it was very upsetting after all the work and money had gone in.

I made the decision, however, to keep the tank, lights and stand for later, hoping that maybe I'd get the bug again. I was going to have to sell them for nothing anyway, so it was no big deal. I found someone to buy all my rock, fish and corals (which were all healthy).

Then I moved to a new house and decided to do it all over. I got rid of my Prizm skimmer and said goodbye to the PC lights I had and with it a canopy (they're still sitting in my garage if someone wants to make an offer). I hung 2 175W MH lights above the tank and used a Remora skimmer. Things are going much better. I had some serious algae blooms, but my RO/DI unit allows me to do frequent water changes.

I recommend keeping at least the shell of the tank because you won't get much money for it anyway, then you can give it another try later.
 

NMreefer

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After all the uplifting comments and some thought(seriuos thought), I decided to give it one last effort. All go in with guns blazing. Thanks for all the comments. Pretty uplifting. :)

Phillip
 
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I had a couple outbreaks . I turned over my rock and used phoshate sponge. It all died.
 
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I boiled my rocks in my newest tank - it's all gone now. :wink:
Of course this was for a new tank, you obviously can't do this with an established reef with corals growing everywhere.

Jim
 
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I'm glad you are giving it another try!

Remember...nothing worthwhile is ever easy! :D

Chris
 

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good to hear that you are staying in! :)

i had a really annoying cyano and hair bloom together. i did chemi-clean, water changes...you name it...

my problem really took care of itself after i installed a little fuge with spaghetti macro algae growing in there. my fuge is really small (5g for a 125g reef). in fact, it is just a white bucket.

i place 65 watts of 6500k pc lighting over it and my water clarity has been outstanding. no more cyano or hair.

i never test my water parameters with kalk as the only additive. my corals grow like crazy, my maximas and croceas are loving it and i feed my fishes 5 times a day heavily. the skimmer is on the same timer as my halides are.

so, dont give up hope. there are many ways to have an incredible tank. you just got to find over time what works for you the best!
 

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You might try this. It got rid of all my alge. I'm telling you your skimmer will go crazy. Just go through the complete cycle like it says. Its called AZ-No3 and PO4_Minus. It is expensive but it will work. Here is the site to get it. But don't quit. If keeping a reef was easy, everyone would have one.
Also it was shipped br Marine Depot. But that site will tell you about it.
easygoer2

http://www.marine-monsters.com/front/pr ... azno3.html
 
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I want to give up because of fish...Mine keep getting sick. :( I've been at this for 8 months and I've seen so many fish die that I feel like I could work on a fishing boat. And before the know-it-alls go after me, I QT and do all the "right" things, as many here already know. I only keep at it because I know I'm just having bad luck.



As for the hail algae; I;ve had outbreaks and it seems to me that the algae just eats up what's in the water and ends up dead and giving way to "better" algaes. On the bright side, hair algae is better than cyano and ugly brown crap all over your tank. :D I actually find green hair algae a bit attractive...maybe that's because the first time I saw it was when it began replacing cyano. :lol:

My LFS, not the best source of advice of course...they never are, told me that I should cut back on water changes. He showed me his wonderful main tank at the front of the store a few days after one of his very infrequent water changes and it had a hait algae breakout...when the hair soaked up the nutrients that came in with the new water, the tank reached equilibrium again and it went away.

I tried this less water change method in my tank and it worked like a charm...of course this depends on how much livestock you have and what kind of source water you use for top offs and water chamgtes.


Good luck
 
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Manny, what are your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and phosphate levels?

Usually, nutrient control is the key to nuisance algae. Use RO or RO/DI water, and make sure your skimmer is working up to snuff.

Other factors I'd look at in fish death are temperature and pH. How'd the fish die... ich? Predator?
 
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moe_k":21fqg6jr said:
Manny, what are your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and phosphate levels?

Usually, nutrient control is the key to nuisance algae. Use RO or RO/DI water, and make sure your skimmer is working up to snuff.

Other factors I'd look at in fish death are temperature and pH. How'd the fish die... ich? Predator?

Everything is fine. Ammonia, trates, and trites are 0 and everything else is by the book. I have had two clowns die of ich, but that was before I knew how to do a good freshwater dip and how to use copper properly (Kick Ick doesn't work at all), two clowns from clowfish's disease, even though I tried freshwater dips and formalin, one clownfish of unkown causes (maybe brooklynella like the other two, but I think it was just genetic defectiveness), had a yellow tang die in 5 seconds of perfectly temp and pH adjusted freshwater dip (got him back in his QT within ten seconds of hitting the freshwater and I tried fishy CPR, but he just had a heart attack in the dip...unheard of really), had a yellow tang die on unknown causes three days after ariving from a mail order place (I think he died of fright), had three neon gobies die because the mail order place sent them as needle sized fry and they wouldn't eat anything at all so they starved, had a royal gramma die of ich because I couldn't catch him and when I finally broke the tank down just two days later and QTd him, it was too late, had a bi-color blenny jump out of his tank through a dime sized hole (the only stupid hole in the lid), had a clown goby jump through that same hole and lang in a jug of mixing salt water that was ten degrees colder than his tank (he lived a couple of weeks, but died eventually probably from the stress of his dive), and I had one more royal gramma die of uknown causes in a perfectly healthy tank with the other fish doing great.

All of the above happened in tanks with perfect or at least acceptable water quality, varied diets all around, and all were "easy to keep" fish species...go figure. And I've only been at this for 8 months! 8O I feel like a freaking fish coroner. :roll: Oh well.
 
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Whew.
Are you dipping these fish before they go in the tank as a preventative? If so, I'd stop that immediately.
You have a quarantine tank? Just put the new fish in there and observe for a week or two. After that, if no diseases, send 'em over to the diplay tank. If they do show signs of disease, then treat in the Q tank. Only freshwater dip if there's a reason. Sounds like unneeded stress.
 

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80 % of hobbyists that give up out of frustration, do so because of nuisance algae. Sad, really because while it's aesthetically unpleasant, it's not generally cause for any health concerns with the tank.

You got some good advice regarding how to manage the bloom, you CAN get though this if you fix the cause of the problem.

FYI, Phosguard (Seachem) and Phosban (Two Little Fishes) are not chemical additives, they are absorbants - they do not add anything to the water they simply remove phosphates by absorbtion. There is a distinct difference between this and adding chemicals that change the ionic balance of a tank.

Manny, sounds like your SOURCE of fish is a big problem. Clowns don't get ich too often, but they do get Brooklynella - so do Royal Grammas, esp. out of Haiti, where many (most?) Royal Grammas come from. Summer is worst for Brook in Haitian fish. I have seen the (very) occasional tang die of fright, but they are few and far between. Sounds to me like poor handling practices by the shipper. If you need help finding a good LFS in the Miami area, I can ask one of my contacts who covers that area, I'm sure he can recommend some. If "price" is an issue (LFS vs MO), well there's no fish more expensive than a dead one, especially if he takes others with him.

Plenty of people routinely use a FW dip prophylactically. I don't, but I do use FW dips often for flukes (trematodes) and I've never lost a fish to a dip. I have had some die during the course of treatment, but I'd submit that they would have died of their affliction anyway. Did no harm.

Manny I think your problem sounds like it doesn't being with your husbandry practices, but rather with your sources. That problem is easily surmountable.

NMReefer, manual export of the existing algae, by scrubbing down the rocks is probably a good place to begin. I maintain about 20 tanks for clients, plus my own shop, and I've run as many as 7 tanks in my home (I'm a sick puppy). Many (most? but not all) tanks go through varying degrees of algae issues. As each tank matures and balances, algae issues become less and less. I've gone to hell and back with a couple of tanks before they turned the corner - many now require just simple water changes and periodic testing anymore, they otherwise look after themselves.

To remove the algae manually, do a regular water change, and use the waste water as a rinse bucket, us a soft nail brush or toothbrush (new - no soap/toothpaste on it) to scrub the algae off the rock, swish in the bucket and return the rock to the tank. Add a small army of snails and/or hermits, make sure to reduce or eliminate the source of the "fertilizer" that is feeding the algae- sources of phoshpate, such as poor quality and/or excessive fish food, coral foods, tap water, poor quality carbon (can leach phosphate), cut your photoperiod to 10 hours max., make sure your bulbs are not too old (colour shift), make sure there's no direct sunlight on the tank, make sure your skimmer is operating at peak capacity, keep alk and calcium up, and this should help get rid of it once, and for all.

HTH

Jenn
 

Chronicles

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Mexican turbos!! I got 2 today, and they did more work in the past 3 hours then all my snails have done for the past month! I swear the turbos I got before sleep 23.5hours a day! The ones I have are the cone shaped shells which can't turn themselves back over, very stupid and lazy snails. I just wish I got more mexicans and sooner. They do really nice work on your rocks, super clean.
 

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