Inland Reef Salt Study - Where we're going

[Len]

Unfortunately, no. I am still attempting to reach matt to get us the data and write up ASAP.

 

[Apophis924]

are we EVER going t get any results again i am seeing excuses. It is a wonder no one has filed a class action suit or brought you to small claims court. If ANY online or LFS performed at the level you people are handling this salt study, There would be emails , calls for a boycott and who knows what matter of retaliation. What puts you above the same professional and ethical standards that you hold any other vendor providing a service for Money? or are you seroulsy telling me you have paid for something and have not gotten what you paid for for over two years and have no problems with excuse after excuse after excuse??
AT this point i serioulsy question the quality and integrityof any results that come out of this SNAFU. I'll stick with Oceanic salt, at least if they do anything out of line or unethical I can expect some type of accountablity and resolution if i have a problem with anything purchased from them.

 

[GSchiemer]

In defense of Len, he's just acting as an intermediary. Don't shoot the messenger!

 

[liquid]

Keep in mind that this is Inland Reef that is doing the study and not Reefs.org. We aren't the ones holding this up. As with other hobbyists, we have also contributed a considerable amout to this as well.

Shane

 

[Len]

Reefs.org did our share of the work in a timely and professional manner. Reefs.org's financial contributions to the Salt Study exceed all other sources combined.

For what it's worth, I've probably personally donated more money to the Salt study then almost anyone else, so believe me when I say I have vested interest in seeing the results.

Please trust me; I'm trying.

 

[Bone]

Thanks Len, and company.

RDO has been pretty good throughout this ordeal. I have no bones to pick with you guys. Sorry if I stirred the pot.

 

[Len]

Bone, no worries. You asked a legitimate question that I think a lot of people want answered (including your's truly). I sympathize with those who are frustrated with the duration, but alas, it is out of our hands.

 

[Bone]

Unfortunately, no. I am still attempting to reach matt to get us the data and write up ASAP.

I'm trying astronomydaily.com

I hope he sees my post.

http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?t=3282

 

[Ninong]

Unfortunately, no. I am still attempting to reach matt to get us the data and write up ASAP.

I'm trying astronomydaily.com

I hope he sees my post.

http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?t=3282

Someone saw your post because it's now deleted.

 

[Bone]

Matt saw the message, deleted it, and responded with a PM. I'll allow him the opportunity to provide updates here on RDO.

 

[Ninong]

Matt saw the message... I'll allow him the opportunity to provide updates here on RDO.

And when might we expect him to take advantage of that opportunity? The silence is deafening.

 

[Apophis924]

Time for you guys to come clean, This is getting out of hand, between the time delays the excuses , the broken deadlines and so called "Matt is working it" Or cant get any replies out of Matt" on and on and on. If one of your sponsors was acting in the manner you gusy with this salt study were acting, (taking MONEY, promising a service) and after MORE than a raesonable amount of delays and excuses and "No replies" No results/service would you seriously still consider endorsing that sponsor? we went thru legal trouble. Matt being busy, to it is on the way, we have NOT even been given a token of fatih test result. WHERE the Hell is MATT and why does he not speak the hell up!!? and explain to me why you are bedning over backwards to make excuses for him. AT what point are we within our rights to start asking for our money back. Or do we write this off as another internet scam???

 

[Len]

We have not received any recent updates from Matt. I will personally continue to try. We have not made any excuses for Matt and are as frustrated as everyone with the lack of progress and updates.

 

[Anemone]

We have not received any recent updates from Matt. I will personally continue to try. We have not made any excuses for Matt and are as frustrated as everyone with the lack of progress and updates.

Len,

When does legal action become the best option? At this point, even if Matt has spent the money donated on the study (not something that I'm even halfway convinced is true), what value is a two-year-old-plus study on the composition of salt mixes really going to have?

IMO, it's beyond time to admit that this supposed study is dead. Worst case scenario, the study never happened and the money was used for other purposes. Best case scenario, the study was so poorly organized and run that any "data" that may still be forthcoming will be useless.

Let's face it - either way, a large percentage of the hobby's most diligent and ardent supporters got taken.

Kevin

 

[Len]

I've sent Matt a new email today expressing urgency and requesting expediency. If i receive no response from him by the weekened, it would perhaps be best to bring this study to a closure one way or another.

Personally, I am still interested in seeing the results of the study and would not consider the data useless. Few salts (if any) have had their compositions revised since the testing a year go. I also personally don't think anyone was purposefully scammed, but the total lack of progress (for whatever real or stated reasons) is unacceptable.

 

[Apophis924]

If it quacks like a duck then it is a duck, if you take your blinders off and review this WHOLE thread from start to finish you will see NUMEROUS accounts of excuses made for matt From the so called legal threats to him to his being engaged in other endeavors, to reefs.org yes reef.org saying they would take over the reporting of results. ANYTHING that claims to be 3/4 of the way complete and waiting on just a few more things before going public only to throw out more excuse after excuse "i tried to contact..., no reply ,next week, three months this month on and on. Get real. THE point of the study was to have recent real time data relevant to the hobby. Your statement that youy THINK the results would still be valid makes no sense. If all i wanted was fixed, 1 to two year old data i would have just gotten an MSDS from OSHA on these products. WE got taken in the worse way Not by some big $$ retailer but by fellow hobbiest whom we THOUHGHT we could trust without bias. You guys seriously screwed the pooch on this one.

 

[Len]

I'm sorry you feel that way. As mentioned before by several others including myself, Reefs.org is not directly involved in the study nor do we have any control over the current affairs. We did our part of the job, and IMO did it well (Reefs.org contributed more then half the total donations towards this project). It appears most people understand this.

 

[saltyzoo]

What was the total amount given to Matt at Inland for the test? I don't recall seeing a grand total of what was collected.

 

[saltyzoo]

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as retrieved on Apr 4, 2005 22:01:27 GMT.

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[Len]

Greg,

If memory serves me correctly, the total donation exceeded $2,500. Reefs.org did not maintain the bookkeeping. I will dig through past posts to see if I can find out more information.