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Wow, there sure is a lot of backlash in the online aquarium communities over this whole Nemo thing. I must admit, it's fairly ... ugly. Is that the right word? Arrogant? Maybe that's better.

I don't mean to chastise the members of this community unduly. You've been an invaluable resource in my quest to learn as much as I can before jump into my first reef aquarium. You’ve probably saved me hundreds of dollars in poor equipment purchases, and undoubtedly saved my pets from many painful mistakes I surely would have made. For that, I’m very grateful.

But the attitude here, and on other message boards, over the whole Nemo thing somewhat puts me off. I would like to take this moment to point out that this may be an opportunity to educate a wider vein of the public than we normally can. Rather than greet newcomers with curt replies and thinly veiled arrogance, wouldn't you rather set them on the right path? These are often people who have no preconceptions about the aquarium hobby. It's our chance to educate the public a little about things like responsible fish keeping, to think of fish and other aquarium organisms on equal par with a cat or dog or parakeet. We can use this opportunity to tell people about tank raised fish and the less destructive methods of harvesting organisms from the reef.

More importantly - we can get people to care about natural reefs themselves. Getting people into the hobby is a GOOD THING(tm) as long as we think of it like this: they are potential allies, not potential threats.

I'd like to take a second to ask all the superlative people here to treat the newcomers nicely and do your best to reign in that normal human tendency to alienate new members of a clique. It's in our advantage to do so. Everyone sucks when they're new and blundering around. Most humans are curious, and willing to absorb knowledge you throw their way. Give it a shot. :)

Thanks.
-me


ps – unless I’m way off base. Then just ignore my inane babbling.
 

Robin Goodfellow

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hi.
I did not read all the Nemo threads, but your observation is true for many boards on the Internet and Usenet. I am guilt of some of the accusations, and hopefully by bring this to people's attention will gradually change the bad impressions.

Personally, I really appreciate your input. :)
 

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That's all fine when they explain how difficult it is to maintain a 15 gallon SW aquarium. When they make it sound like it's easy to do, which every one of us know the difficulties of extremely small tanks in relation to bad things can happen quick. I'll also say that keeping tangs in a 15 gallon, well, no comment, nothing good to say about that. The fact that Tetra products was the one to make this kind of insinuation, a very recognizable name, makes this worse.
 
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Great post, very insightful. I think the reef community has been understanding as a whole though, with a few idots thrown in as always unfortunately. (A few posts over on the other board come to mind)
Anyway, we've been mostly concerned with the well being of the animals. Lack of experience is no excuse for not researching about a critter before you purchase it, that is just common sense! Those who lack it are not suffered easily by many, including me. :)


Cheers
Jim
 
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I suppose I should qualify my post with this:

Of course, I know most hobbyists are simply concerned about the welfare of the creatres in the spotlight, and rightfully so. In fact, the LFS that I go to recently set up a "nemo tank" ... 1" of crushed coral, no decorations and about 100 clowns and hippo tangs. *sigh* and then I went to a FW fish store and they had blueberry tetras *sigh again* I totally tried to convince the owner that his buisness wouldn't fail if he stopped carrying painted/dyed fish.
 
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Heya tazdevil!

Yep, the nemo place was WOF in Richfield and the blueberry place was Aquatropics in Crystal.

I think I stopped by that place in ramsey the very day they opened. It was still obviously under construction and I completely forgot about them since then. Thanks for reminding me! I think I am going to check them out this weekend! Yayyyyy!

... and ... SUPER LOL X1000. I saw that bright yellow fuxxor in the tank and he told me it was reef safe hahahahah! Which employee there did you see do it? There is this one guy who really sucks and is totally a jerk. He's taller, got some slight chub, sandy blonde hair, facial hair... man I just hate dealing with that guy! There's another dude there that's pretty knowledgeable though, younger skinny kid, seems pretty sharp about the reef stuff.

haha thanks for a good laugh!
 

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Hwarang":1a2x60pb said:
to think of fish and other aquarium organisms on equal par with a cat or dog or parakeet.

I feel what you are saying but I dont like this. The problem (with cats and dogs at least) is that even though people know how to take care of them, a lot of people dont. Now there is a huge problem with overpopulation. You compare ocean animals with dogs and cats and people are going to think they are easy to keep like dogs and cats. The only difference is there wont be an overpopulation problem there will be an extinction problem. You either do this hobby all the way or you dont do it at all. There is not much room for much else. These animals dont do well on little or no care. You have to be dedicated. I think that is what people try to convey to the first timer. At least that is what I think they should convey. An ounce of prevention would save a lot of useless deaths of ocean and fresh water animals. I tell people to not get into the hobby because of a movie you saw. If you want to see a nemo in your house wait 4 months and it will be on DVD and then you can see him whenever you want. To me this hobby grabed me and would not let go. If it does that than your dedicated but if you just want to do it because it seems fun than that might not be enough.

Anyway I dont even know what I am saying anymore so I will stop with this: Dont bash on people cause they want to do this hobby. Just educate them on the money and time and effort it takes to do this.

Just my 4 cents.
 
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It was more of a reference to how people view fish as unfeeling, disposable creatures and thus are prone to slack off on caring for them.
 

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Hwarang":2f3juvel said:
More importantly - we can get people to care about natural reefs themselves. Getting people into the hobby is a GOOD THING(tm) as long as we think of it like this: they are potential allies, not potential threats.

I'd like to take a second to ask all the superlative people here to treat the newcomers nicely and do your best to reign in that normal human tendency to alienate new members of a clique. It's in our advantage to do so. Everyone sucks when they're new and blundering around. Most humans are curious, and willing to absorb knowledge you throw their way. Give it a shot. :)

Amen! I also believe that people should research before they jump, but I fear that most do not. It starts with the local fish store and it's employees. They need to imform people of the correct way of keeping these fish, sell them the correct tank size, equipment, etc. It's in their own best interest to do so, rather than making the quick buck. Successful newcomers are more likely to become successful hobbyists. Successful hobbyists become repeat business.

I also feel that experienced hobbyists should treat newcomers, no matter why they got started, with respect and assume that they really want to do the right thing. Sure, there are alot of boneheads out there, but maybe we should give people the benefit of the doubt before we chastise them for showing some interest in marinelife because of a movie. Of course, if you lead the horse to water and they still won't drink, then they are fair game. :wink:

BTW, judging from your image, I assume that you've just realized how much this hobby is really going to cost you? :)
 
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I didn't sell one new setup due to Nemo...once the parents got wind of how much money and time and care was involved and they couldn't just plop them into a goldfish bowl, the idea was put out of their heads.

...and then I asked them to take their screaming and crying child out of the store. :evil:

I sold lots of Nemos to already established customers whom didn't have any clownfish yet. That's all.

Nemo's a thing of the past anyway...this is the next big thing :

Sharkslayer.jpg


Peace,

Chip
 
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Hehe. The avatar is Jack from fight club. ;)

ps - Marillion, I wondered about that. Not many parents are willing to drop the enormous amount of money required for a reef aquarium just to appease a toddler's temporary interest. Too bad. It could be the start of a passion in their child's life.
 

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I agree w/ that it would be nice to get some more people into the hobby. I just hate to see some company like Tetra starting this Nemo tank deal & all the super chains picking up on it. 95 % of the kids who want one today will lose interest when the next Disney/Pixar movie comes out & they want all those toys from the happy meals. Not slamming Disney or anything. People lose interest in fads. It is a hobby when the hobby itself draws you to it, not the movies.
 
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esmithiii":2x3qu79u said:
Chip- I thought you were kidding with that poster, but here I see that it is for real

I don't post fake links. :)

I love when other people's creativity gets me excited. I can't wait to see this move and "The Incredibles."

They're even scheduled for the SAME DAY OPENING!

Now, who will budge? Will it be SKG or Disney?

Peace,

Chip
 
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Hwarang":3nd6g71f said:
ps - Marillion, I wondered about that. Not many parents are willing to drop the enormous amount of money required for a reef aquarium just to appease a toddler's temporary interest. Too bad. It could be the start of a passion in their child's life.

The sad thing is, most parents that come into the shop don't hive a crap about it. It's very very sad, but I do the only thing I can do...try and instill my own passion for it into them...

Peace,

Chip
 

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