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[Anonymous]

Kalkbreath ---> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html

Please don't feed him anymore.

 

[dizzy]

Kalkbreath ---> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html

Please don't feed him anymore.

Hey Ben,

That winternet.com is gutbusting funny. At least 10 of the flame warrior types reminded me of SPC. :lol: :lol: I think a saw Chucker in there a couple of times and yeah Kalkbreath is definitely described.

 

[Kalkbreath]

http://www.coral.noaa.gov/themes/fiji-h ... reen1Quote]I do have the numbers for the Fijian trade by species, disposition, and exact number destined for the US over the past five years. This includes marine fish, invertebrates, corals, live rock, etc. They are quite a bit higher, apparently, than those provided by CITES sources and Fiji sources. They also contrast with sources that related the trade by weight (a very difficult thing to analayze in terms of effect and number of organisms collected, as estimates of coral weight must be made...some of which may be quite a bit off, especially because of differences in skeletal density and in the amount of water present. The numbers are further likely to be underreported because of the inability of USF&W inspectors to examine the masssive numbers of shipments. Consequently, there will be many extra animals entering as the well known "box stuffers." These are typically animals which were "unwanted" by most sources for some reason (unsuitability for captivity?) or were caught in abundance during some period.

I hope that some of the discrepancies in number and type can be resolved soon, and I will be submitting this work for publication in the future. However, to give you an idea, there have been over 1,500,000 live Acropora spp. from Fiji to the US over five years. In 1994, there were 74,000 collected. In 1998, there were 274, 680 collected. The trends for other corals show similar increases. For live rock, 22, 625,666 pieces were reported to enter the US. In 1994, there were 295,568 pieces. In 1998, there were 8,249,458 pieces. This correlates well with what is apparent in retail outlets as Fiji live rock is, to say the least, abundant and cheap.

I hope to be able to provide the rest of the trade data soon for Fiji and other countries, some of which are most...shall we say, unusual, as they do not have coral reefs and yet appear as countries of origin on manifests and reports. This will have to be resolved in light of the other reports already out, as well as for simple clarification.

Eric Borneman }End quote
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[Kalkbreath]

P.S whilst seaching the NOAA site I Came across the topic or idea of placing Atlantic Spp. Acropora on the endangered species list ? I actually would support this idea! Because it would help end the sewage thing in the keys but fat chance! But dont think me soft! .........also, I was quite wrong on the spelling of "gaul"[sorry] so you all can once again use it to distract from the issue...........Please read the NOAA link and see that all that I am doing is ...what many people want to say but cant .......
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[saltshop]

For crying out loud that is the same ol' 3 year old Coral-List thread that Eric has already stated was wrong! What do you have that is new and has not already been dismissed by the authors of the thread?? Anything??? Anything at all???? Other than the fact that Fiji still has no idea of how much and of what exactly they are exporting...hence the threats from CITES. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Remember this thread???:
http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=20

It said this:
"So, the numbers I reported in the coral-list thread were ultimately wrong, thankfully, although until then these were the data that showed the need for standardization of reporting according to weight, pieces, live v. dead, etc. "

I just hope that you are not allowed to breed!!!

 

[Anemone]

Phew!!! That's a quote from Eric. For a minute there I thought my world-view was about to be completely upset: I thought Kalk had learned to write grammatically correct paragraphs. :lol:

Kevin

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know that it was Eric that was wrong. I used a similar source in estimating trade for a paper I put together. I believe my source was published CITES information. Although it might have been Fiji export lists. Anyways, my point is that the numbers are very similar to what I remember reading. I think Eric likely was misled by the same reports, and didn't fabricate random numbers as much as some of us are being led to believe.

 

[Kalkbreath]

This tree year issue is still unresolved, so that is why it is still relevant... The damage from this type of reporting ,is only now about to surface.....The idea that MOST of the corals and liverock were making it in to this country 'Under the radar of CITES was the issue... If the numbers were CITES numbers then how could they conflict with CITES numbers? Think about it? CITES has already told Fiji to cut its exports by 50% so the ban is going to happen,.....when and what is "half" is the question at this time.......... There may be a total ban until the issue and numbers are decided........this is to allow the continued export of lumber and food fish to Canada {which has stopped accepting imports from Fiji because of potential harm the "coral harvesting" may be causing! } OH! Great thinking Canada>>>>Blast fishing is OK but coral frag collecting is environmentally questionable!
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