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I have two tiger tails in my reef. Given the poisonous attributes of them is there a problem if they die? How long do they live? Should I think of getting out of my reef?
-Greg
-Greg
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
<strong>As I understand it (Dr Ron), these cukes are NOT poisonous, it is the filter feeding cukes that are.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
So no need to worry if they decompose somewhere back in the rock? Otherwise like Danmhippo says they make great slow moving pets!
-Greg
<strong>As I understand it (Dr Ron), these cukes are NOT poisonous, it is the filter feeding cukes that are.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
So no need to worry if they decompose somewhere back in the rock? Otherwise like Danmhippo says they make great slow moving pets!
-Greg
Now, of course, I did not say that it would be OK for your tank if the cukes decomposed behind the rockworks. Their internal organs are poisonous and I do not know the effect to the tank if the internal organs decomposes or eaten by the detrivores.
If you suspect your tank overall health is not optimal, you may want to get the cukes out before they die in your tank. (What would make you think they are going to die in your tank in the first place anyway??)
If you suspect your tank overall health is not optimal, you may want to get the cukes out before they die in your tank. (What would make you think they are going to die in your tank in the first place anyway??)
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by danmhippo:
<strong>(What would make you think they are going to die in your tank in the first place anyway??)</strong><hr></blockquote>
The tanks in great shape. I was just looking at the cukes last night and started wondering on the life span, that took me to them kicking the bucket, that took me to "They're pretty big I hope the tank can handle the load", to "Oh my God, aren't they poisonous?", which took my to Reefs.Org to post the question.
So how long do they live? These guys have been in there for approx a year but they still look good and haven't stopped growing since their introduction.
-Greg
<strong>(What would make you think they are going to die in your tank in the first place anyway??)</strong><hr></blockquote>
The tanks in great shape. I was just looking at the cukes last night and started wondering on the life span, that took me to them kicking the bucket, that took me to "They're pretty big I hope the tank can handle the load", to "Oh my God, aren't they poisonous?", which took my to Reefs.Org to post the question.
So how long do they live? These guys have been in there for approx a year but they still look good and haven't stopped growing since their introduction.
-Greg
Sure you weren't thinking about your coffee?
Here's some good info:
http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/2000/jan/wb/default.asp
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Here's some good info:
http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/2000/jan/wb/default.asp
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failing banks
I got a black sand-sifting cuke in me 180G reef... had him for nearly a year now... hes grown from 6" to 12" since, now bout 2" diameter when bloated... he does a great job of eating n pooping sand... crawls all over the tank bottom day n nite... never bothers nobody, just does his job of cleaning the top sand...
but i got no idea how long they live/last... my guess, should b similar to other reef inverts where theyd live forever unless eaten or attacked or gets sick...
Enjoy...
but i got no idea how long they live/last... my guess, should b similar to other reef inverts where theyd live forever unless eaten or attacked or gets sick...
Enjoy...
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by olgakurt:
<strong>Sure you weren't thinking about your coffee?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The cukes certainly look as though they could be harvested for my coffee! lol
Thanks for the link.
EmilyB-
The two I have were sold under the generic name Tiger Tail from my LFS. They are a med brown with yellow thorn like projections they use for feet. 95% of the time they stay on the sand, then rest of the time they will climb the rocks (out of direct light), and once climbed the back wall to the water line.
They have done a wonderful job cleaning up the sand bed wich at the time was about nine years old and VERY dirty grey/brown. The sand is bright white again. At the time of their introduction I had a problem with Cyno, due to accumulated waste in the sand and rock work was my thought. The cukes did a great job and not only eliminated the cyno with the sand/rock cleaning, but was seen eating the cyno (personal observation only, your milage may vary).
When they were introduced (after a very long acclimation period) one was very stressed and ejected part of it's gut. At the time I thought it was paracites and removed the pieces as they were expelled. Then both moved into the rocks and disappeared for a couple of months. I feared they were gone. I'll guess the eats were so plentiful that they had no reason to move for a while.
It's been a year and they've about doubled in size. Approx 15" long and abount 2" in diameter when fully engorged with water. They're slow moving, peaceful, and very interesting to watch eat.
If you have other questions about them let me know.
CnT-
Yep, I think they're like other inverts too.
-Greg
<strong>Sure you weren't thinking about your coffee?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The cukes certainly look as though they could be harvested for my coffee! lol
Thanks for the link.
EmilyB-
The two I have were sold under the generic name Tiger Tail from my LFS. They are a med brown with yellow thorn like projections they use for feet. 95% of the time they stay on the sand, then rest of the time they will climb the rocks (out of direct light), and once climbed the back wall to the water line.
They have done a wonderful job cleaning up the sand bed wich at the time was about nine years old and VERY dirty grey/brown. The sand is bright white again. At the time of their introduction I had a problem with Cyno, due to accumulated waste in the sand and rock work was my thought. The cukes did a great job and not only eliminated the cyno with the sand/rock cleaning, but was seen eating the cyno (personal observation only, your milage may vary).
When they were introduced (after a very long acclimation period) one was very stressed and ejected part of it's gut. At the time I thought it was paracites and removed the pieces as they were expelled. Then both moved into the rocks and disappeared for a couple of months. I feared they were gone. I'll guess the eats were so plentiful that they had no reason to move for a while.
It's been a year and they've about doubled in size. Approx 15" long and abount 2" in diameter when fully engorged with water. They're slow moving, peaceful, and very interesting to watch eat.
If you have other questions about them let me know.
CnT-
Yep, I think they're like other inverts too.
-Greg
danmhippo....were you mistreated as a child? Or are you still a child? Any post I see with you always has such a hateful feeling to it. How sad
it is that people go to ask for help and you feel being nasty is justified. No...I won't comment on this anymore or be pulled into an argument (as I've noticed you enjoy). If my kids spoke like that to people, they'd have soap in their mouths.
No offense to anyone...just didn't know if you realize how you come across.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
<strong>As I understand it (Dr Ron), these cukes are NOT poisonous, it is the filter feeding cukes that are.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
From what I recall, this is partially true. I believe several cukes (fiilter feeding or not) possess toxins that deter predation. However, some cukes toxins are far more toxic then others, and some have the ability to release toxins, while others have them assilmiated in their tissues. As a defensive mechaism, most sand-sifting cukes will spill their "guts" when harassed. The predator will concentrate on the entrails while the cuke makes a slow getaway.
I don't know how toxic tiger tail cukes are, but in the animal kingdom, a common trend is the more colorful a lower-ordered (prey) animal is, the more toxic it is. Personally, with the fishes I own, I don't chance cukes in my tank.
[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Leonard v2.01b ]</p>
<strong>As I understand it (Dr Ron), these cukes are NOT poisonous, it is the filter feeding cukes that are.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
From what I recall, this is partially true. I believe several cukes (fiilter feeding or not) possess toxins that deter predation. However, some cukes toxins are far more toxic then others, and some have the ability to release toxins, while others have them assilmiated in their tissues. As a defensive mechaism, most sand-sifting cukes will spill their "guts" when harassed. The predator will concentrate on the entrails while the cuke makes a slow getaway.
I don't know how toxic tiger tail cukes are, but in the animal kingdom, a common trend is the more colorful a lower-ordered (prey) animal is, the more toxic it is. Personally, with the fishes I own, I don't chance cukes in my tank.
[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Leonard v2.01b ]</p>
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