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Goldmoon

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Found a really small black urchin on a fiji polyp rock I recieved by mail today.
Nothing much to describe: Small (3/4 of an inch with spine) black and was flat when I removed it from the rock to put it in a container. Now it has inflated a bit and is trying to get out the container. Anyone knows if those beasts are reefsafe?
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Goldmoon -- This creature is DEADLY! It's gonna be touch-and-go here, but if we act quickly, I think we can still save your tank from this dangerous stow-away. IMMEDIATELY pack the evil little devil in a Styrofoam cooler, add a cold-pack, and Overnight Fed-Ex it to me for safe disposal....

Sorry about that, but I tend to get a little jealous when others get cool critters for free. With any stow-away, I presume reef-safe until proven otherwise. Except for something obvious like a blue-ringed octopus or toxic Cone Shells, very few such rock hitchhikers pose any real immediate danger.

With an urchin, one real consideration is the sharpness of the spines. Very sharp urchins can damage the delicate one-piece expandable tissues of some LPS corals, like Plate Corals. (They have also been known to puncture the fingers of careless reef-keepers.) Urchins can also sometimes bulldoze the aquascape if they grow very large and clumsy.

Another charge leveled at urchins is that they can eat the fancier kinds of desirable Calcium-bearing algae. I don't consider this a problem if the urchin population is low compared to tank area. I think their activities actually benefit the Coraline over the long run, as it grows back even thicker than before, and the little chewed-off pieces spread to other parts of the tank where they adhere and grow.

One definite plus of urchins is that they eat undesirable algae that tends to flourish in new tanks until they mature. Some reefers buy them just for this purpose, and overlook their other potential minor drawbacks.

I'd keep the little guy in the tank and see what he grows into. If he's trouble later on, there's always your sump (or my tank!). It's not as though urchins are exactly fast and hard to catch (although they can be a bit tough to pry loose).
 

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Hey thanks for the timely post and reply. I just found a dime sized purple urchin in my tank and was unsure if I made the right decision to keep it. I couldn't find him now if my life depended on it but it is good to know he probably won't be doing any major damage to my tank.
Thanks again
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I have only 1 urchin in my tank, the rest have been banished (the shingle is in Eden, the long spine, pin cushion, and pencil have all been thrown out of the garden). These guys can be feisty predators, and all of them are responsible for demolishing any plant life I had, razing anything that grew as a single polyp, and even some of my sps colonies, eating my xenia (3 different kinds), and even eating my starfish! And, when they get larger, they tend to knock things over and create landslides and avalanches. I would advise getting rid of your urchin. Especially if it has fairly short and very pointy spines (almost like very long cones versus needles). This is a very common type of urchin and it has decimated many native populations of plant life (in fact, I believe it is threatening the kelp forests off of the coast of California because it is eating the holdfasts for the kelp). Anyway, I would watch him closely and don't let him get too comfortable if he seems to be eating your other inhabitants.
 

Goldmoon

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Well thank you very much for the reply and the time you took (very explicit).
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I guess we are going to give a chance to the little fellow.. after all he did not really choose to come to our home. As for removing it if we ever have to do it, tweezers are the best thing to use.. IF we see him ever again.. it is so tiny.... Thank you again and *Spiny* thanks you too for saving his life
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(He better stay away from my cup coral and leathers).
 

Goldmoon

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Oups!!!
It is one with short and pointy spine type..
(starts larger near the body and finishes very sharp at the end)
It is also not really black but real dark brown. Hmm I guess he will stay in the cup for a little longer.. I will try to find reviews on the urchin you are talking about.. if they have pictures.. I could not find so far any pictures that really looked like the one I have.. all have longer spines... Well thank you for the info..
I will show those messages to my husby and let him decide what to do.
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This is Spike: http://home.eznet.net/~terry10/critters/spike.jpg

He also (along with a dozen relatives) was a hitchhiker on live rock. He was benign as a pup but once he got bigger I had to glue everything down or it would get knocked over. He consumes a lot of algae - all types. When he eats coralline it grows back better than ever. I'm glad I have him. I'm down to 3 as I have either sold the rest of moved them to the refugium. If you decide you don't want him in the future they are really easy to catch. I tried shipping a couple to someone but they didn't make it so I'll only sell local now
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HTH

Guy
 

SPC

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Guy, do you know the scientific name for "Spike". I also have about 14 of these that came in on my live rock. They are mostly nocturnal and I have yet to see them harm anything.
Steve
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPC:
<STRONG>Guy, do you know the scientific name for "Spike". </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My best guess is Echinometra lu****er.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goldmoon:
<STRONG>Guy, mine does not look like that though.. its spines are at least one third the size of yours if not smaller.. one spine would cover about a third of its body only in lenght. Can they still be the same species??</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Probably...the spines on this one were also short when it was smaller.

LOL lu****er = l u c u n t e r
 

SPC

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Thanks Guy.
Gold, yours could also be what is called a Variegated Urchin (Lytechinus variegatus), I have one of these and the spines are short, or like Guy said it could just be a small version of "Spike".
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Goldmoon

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Guy, mine does not look like that though.. its spines are at least one third the size of yours if not smaller.. one spine would cover about a third of its body only in lenght. Can they still be the same species??
 

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