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Mouse

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Last night i was struck by inspiration and have formulated a design for a cascading planktonic feeder system (but dont get too excited because its not finished).

The system will consist of two chambers. The first will be used to cultivate Phytoplankton and the second Zooplankton. Now the size of the chambers would of course be relative to the size of the aquarium / feed load.

Phytoplankton cutures can double their biomass in a day, so ultimately this means that this chamber can be emptied to half its total volume every day and refilled with new water.

Zooplankton cultures can increase in biomass by 1/4 each day, and therefore can supply a quantity equivilent to a 1/4 of its total volume each day.

This makes the math for the compartment size ratio very easy because the Zooplankton compartment needs to be twice the size of the Phytoplankton compartment. So that the result in addition of half the Phytoplankton compartment will result in the Zooplankton compartment exchanging roughly a 1/4 of its total volume.

One very important consideration in the design of these compartments is to eliminate the chances of cross contamination of cultures. Should one of the zooplanktons make its way into the phytoplankton cultivation chamber the end result will be one big ass mutha of a zooplankon and no more phyto's.
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There are two possible areas where cross contamination could occur. The first being the Inlet of water from the aquarium into the Phyto chamber, and the second would be the outlet from the first Phyto chamber into the second Zoo chamber.

To avoid contamination from the zoo chamber through the outlet of the phyto chamber it has to be insured that sufficient space comes between. This is very simply achived by ensuring that the outlet of the second zoo chamber (back to the aquarium or sump) is sufficiently below the outlet of the phyto chamber. This will result in the water cascading from one chamber to the other while eliminating any cross contamination against the flow of the cascade.

The main problem i have yet to overcome is contamination through the addition of aquarium water into the first phyto chamber.

In my limited knowlege of Planktonic cultivaion methods it is suggested that any cultivating units of this sort be refilled with freshly mixed salt water so as to avoid and contamination of cultures. But as you can see this would represent a problem in creating an automated cascade system because the water being added to the phyto culture would have to come from a resivoir and not the aquarium. And to automate a system of this sort would mean that somehow we would have to remove the same volume of water from the aquarium that was being added by the Cascading Planktonic feeder system. If not it would have a derogatory effect on the s.g. or ultimately overflow the system.

So what i propose as a measure against this would be to have the inlet for the Phyto chamber T'd off a U.V. filter. This would ensure that any microbeal or planktonic life present in the aquarium water would be eliminated/sterilized before introduction to our Phytoplanktonic culture. and therefore avoiding contaimination and destruction of our culture.

Would U.V. meet our needs in ensuring this. If not there is a possibility of employing Ozone and carbon to enable the first Phyto chamber a supply of sterile water.
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The inlet to the Phyto chamber irrespective of how we ensure steriliseation, would be controlled by a peristaltic pump and computer. The computer is neccessary to turn of the U.V. filter immedeately after the full dose of Planktonic nutrients had been added to the aquarium, and the protien skimmer could be de-activated immedeatley on activation of the feeder unit. This ensures that all of our efforts in producing this food are not wasted by having it removed immedeatley after introduction. But as i explained erlier the U.V. would have to remain active to ensure no cross contamination occurs whilethe unit is in opperation.

The other consideration is how to light the first Phytoplanktonic culture, im sure this could be acived with a P.C. flourecent of some sort. Or if the reacor is big enough a regular flourecent tube would do.

I also think that every compartment souldbe equiped with an air stone to add circulation to the comaprtments when the cultivation unit is not in use or dosing. You could even supply the Phytoplanktonic compartment with C02 to aid cultivation. There is even a possibility of a third chamber for brine shrimp. And you could allso have a dedicated Phyto unit for direct addition of Phytoplanktons to the aquarium bypassing the zooplankton.

So guys what do you think of my idea
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< me being a smug bastard.

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Carpentersreef

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I think it's a great idea, and ever since I saw one of those Aqualine plankton reactors about a year ago, I've been wondering how to incorporate it into a self sustaining system.I don't have the space right now, so I've done nothing with it.
I think the UV/Ozone/carbon route is to iffy, (burnt out or dirty UV tubes, and short effective carbon life) and would prefer to see a system that constantly added fresh SW and had a waste overflow at the other end, therby taking care of water changes. The amount being changed would be relative to the size of the system.

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Carpentersreef

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No, I don't have one, my LFS has them in stock though, and I see it as something I would buy, not be able to set it up the way I want, and get tired of cleaning it . I do want to incorporate 2 of them in a future equipment room, though.

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Mouse

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You can get loads of cultures from Monolith Marine Monsters. They have about 5 different Phyto cultures. Cleaning was also one of my major worries. I suppose it would be a case of syphoning the culture out and a good bit of elbow grease. The AB Aqualine ones could be sorted quite easiliy providing that they come off the stand.

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Mouse

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he he.

Nice one Mitch. I spent a year as a dive instructor in Cayman with a bunch of Canadians. I have to say they were probably the most sincerely kind and generous people i have met. I really like Canada, in fact if i were ever to migrate i recon Canada would be the place. Right next to Whisler.
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Whistler- Where the beer is cold, the mountian step, the powder deep and the women are all beautiful. Honestly they have the the most beautiful women I have ever seen (Except for my wife of course). Is it something in the water up there?

A lot of Aussies up there too- I just love that accent. Went their when I was single a couple of years ago and loved the place. Still trying to convince my wife to plan a trip to go back. I miss the Okanigan Pale Ale and the Nacho's at Gaiters almost as much as I miss the mountian.

Sorry about rambling but that place is the BEST!!!


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Back to Mouse' original concept. I have tried cultivation units already. First one is phyto, second is another strend of phyto, the third is rotifer. The 3 units are not interconnected, I have to do the liquid transfer between units myself. I can tell you, I aint got the patience for it.

However, I think Mouse got a great idea going...Cascade!! If I can use dosing pump to supply water to the first chamber, and the the last chamber draines naturally to the tank/sump, this idea could work!

However, one concern. The phyto and rotifer stren must not be saltwater. The continued addtion of saltwater rotifer water will eventually lead to elevated SG. Unless you make regular weekly water changes, otherwise, a lazy person like me that don't do WC's will quickly get the tank into trouble.

OR, (again back to Mouse' idea), have water pass through a small UV unit at a slow enough flow rate, the water dumped to a 5 gal bucket for the detritus to settle. The clear water is again, pumped out of the settling tank to feed the cascading chambers.........that could work!
 

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love the cascade idea...might I suggest an irradiation unit similar to the ones used for ensuring food sterilization...I am totally tech ignorant but from what I could find in a quick web search they come in multiple sizes and dont ad heat to the tank
 

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Endomorpheous, Where did you find these sterilisation units, sounds like it would be just the kiddie. I personally feel that SW cultures would be beneficial over FW cultures and this would be the best way of getting this running besides a U.V. which from the observation of members so far would prove unreliable in terms of ensuring cross culture contamination.
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Cheers chaps,
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I ran across a web site with a search using copernicus that had an article on irradiation techniques...widely used in europe for food sterilization..Im not sure of the size but I'll double check for it and post the link.
 

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