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xrenx

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i am starting a new 37 gallon, and wanted to use LS this time. I have used crushed coral in the past. My questions are

- how deep should the sand be, 3-4 inches?
- what is southdown sand, and where can i get it? is that the best stuff to use?h
- i would use the sd as a base, and add a little LS to the SD to seed it
- what is a reasonable price for SD and LS
- approximately how many lbs. of each would i need
- do you have to do any maintenance to the LS, vacumming etc?
- should my LR go down first and then the sand?

also i don't plan on keeping corals, but may eventually. is a DSB necessary for a FOWLR setup. any help would be appreciated.
 

DarwinTheDog

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Hi Xrenx,

I recently went through a lot of these same questions myself. Having had reef tanks in the past and being out of the hobby for a few years the DSB (deep sand bed) idea was new to me to some degree. Anyway I recently put up a small reef (29 gallon), and here is what I found:

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- how deep should the sand be, 3-4 inches?

I would go 4-6 inches, I settled on 5 inches.

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- what is southdown sand, and where can i get it? is that the best stuff to use?

Southdown is GREAT stuff. Basically it is the same as CaribSea Aragramax, at a much better price. It is basically aragonite, in the proper grain size to do a DSB. You are in luck, since it looks like you are in Virginia. Southdown is available in this area at Home Depot. You may have to search for the stuff at a few HDs, but it will be worth it. I had some ordered at the HD in Bowie Maryland, but many have not had luck ordering it. The Southdown is definetly the way to go. Here is a picture of what it looks like:

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I am sure there are MANY opinions on this, but here is mine. I would use primarily SD as a base. Seed your sand with some live sand and a detrivore type kit(s). A few pounds of LS from a few different sources would be a great way to get a lot of diversity. I would suggest a kit from Inland Aquatics or IPSF.

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SD is dirt cheap, about $3.50 for 50 pounds. Compare that to about $20 for 30 lbs of CaribSea. Live sand prices vary depending on type and vendor. In Virginia swing by the store "The Reef Tank" in Burke and he will sell you a few pounds from his system fairly cheap (also a GREAT source for Calerpa and Corals). MO (Mail Order) prices may range from $1.50-3.00 a pound, but shipping adds up quick. If you order from IPSF you might get some the the live sand they offer as well. Again the more diversity the better.

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This is tricky, and very dependant on opinion. I would say I used close to 100 pounds in my 29 gallon, which is the same as a 37, but shorter. So probably close to 100 pounds, depending on how much live sand you do. As far as live sand goes, the more the merrier perhaps, but I think 5 pounds would be more than enough if you get one of the forementioned kits. I am sure there will be other opinions on that.

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- do you have to do any maintenance to the LS, vacumming etc?

NO! I would never vacuum LS. You do need to get the right creatures to maintain your LS bed. Again this is why you seed it with LS and the kits I was talking about. These creatures (bristleworms, pods, etc) help maintain the bed. Additionally some use cukes, and brittle stars.

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- should my LR go down first and then the sand?

People do this both ways and I have heard good arguments for both. In my case the sand went down then the rock on top of it. This was due mainly to the fact that I got the rock after I set up the sand bed. I have heard people say it adds stability to add the rock first. I just pushed my rock firmly into the sand when I added it.

In my tank I actually built a little platform for my rock and have a lot of the rock on the platform (see below). The platform was made out of eggcrate and put in before the sand. I did this to maximize the surface area of the sand bed, since this is such a small tank.

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Platform before rock is added.

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After rock before corals.

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Do the sand bed now! The fish will benefit. I would continue to plan the tank as if you may have corals one day and when you do the transition will be easier.

Hope this helps! Best of Luck!
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xrenx

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hey darwin, thanks alot for such a thorough reply. your tank looks great. where did you pick up that eggcrate stuff, that's a great idea. i just got my 37 gallon this morning, and going to head to home depot today. hopefully the one in alexandria carries Southdown. do you know if the the reef tank in Burke has good LR. i have never been there. Marine Scene, in Herndon, is where i've gotten all my rock before and had pretty good success. not cheap though. i am going to put 30 pounds of LR in for now and add another 15 pounds in 2 weeks or so. thanks again for the help.
 

DarwinTheDog

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Hi!

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where did you pick up that eggcrate stuff

You can get it at HD. They will probably have it with the ceiling and lighting tiles. I believe it is actually called fluroscent difuser?? I comes in 4'x2' sheets and is pretty cheap.

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do you know if the the reef tank in Burke has good LR.

Call them and see what they have in right now. They are a little different type of shop, not your typical store. They are setup much more like a wholesaler. However, keep in mind they do not stock heavily, but have great corals (had a great sale this weekend ALL CORALS were like $19.99). Not much in the way of fish and not much in the way of dry goods. I believe they will order about anything for you and his prices would rival mail order. Before you buy lighting or a skimmer check with them. I have been extremely impressed with them with what I have seen so far. They have a really cool coral propagation setup in the back of the shop. Although it is not open to customers I am sure they will let you look if it is not too busy.

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Marine Scene, in Herndon, is where i've gotten all my rock before and had pretty good success.

Yeah that is a nice shop, but they do seem a bit pricey. I got a lot of rock recently at a place called Roozen's Garden Center. They had a special for $2.00 a pound for Fiji when you bought a case (unopened). Generally don't shop there though (strange store).

Good Luck!
 

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