richard, that is not exactly what I meant, I think nyc has plenty of money (yes cost of living here sucks) but what I meant is that any "local" forum does not have enough high end reefers with that mentality (mr has plenty of people with "high end" corals but a lot of them keep it under wraps, give away coral to friends, or just sell when they NEED to trim) whereas r2r has reefers who dont have any other people in their area, so they turn to the internet and sell stuff through the mail at prices that are a bit insane imo. reefs.com when it launches other locations besides nyc will end up similar to that but at least it has very high quality content.... big difference from r2r.