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I am in the process of cycling my tank> its been a week and amonia is 2.0pph.

I have a damsel in the tank, Saturday I seeded the tank with some sand from the LFS. Today i notice white spots on the top half of the damsel. How could my tank have ich already?

Could it be from the Sand or the amonia is stressing the damsel?

Wht should I use to get the Ich out my tank, Thanks.
 
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It's not ich, the fish has a infection or a secondary infection from the high ammonia and probably high nitrites. The fish is also putting out a lot of slime, which may look like ich in some case.

It's best to remove the fish, as it's most likely going to die, and let the tank cycle before you place in back into the tank. If you want to place something into the tank, to help start and increase the build up of bacteria, you can put in a piece of clam or a shrimp. Either one will supply you with a source of ammonia to build up you bacteria.
 

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It's not ich, the fish has a infection or a secondary infection from the high ammonia and probably high nitrites. The fish is also putting out a lot of slime, which may look like ich in some case.

It's best to remove the fish, as it's most likely going to die, and let the tank cycle before you place in back into the tank. If you want to place something into the tank, to help start and increase the build up of bacteria, you can put in a piece of clam or a shrimp. Either one will supply you with a source of ammonia to build up you bacteria.



Ick is Ick.....it is always present in your tank when a fish is stressed out by ammonia it will get ick very common. Your best bet would be to add some live rock and that would help cycle the tank much faster!! Why would you want to add dead food into the tank and make the ammonia go even higher ? 2.0 ppm ammonia is plenty high to cycle any tank. If you add more waste (dead shrimp ect.) it will only make your cycle take longer and you will be starring at a empty tank ? I have done this many times in the past and it has worked like a charm ....good luck.
 

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Ich is a parasite and it's not alway present in your tank. Fish can get get infected if ich is introduced into the tank, usually by a fish carry it, water from a system that has it or from LR from a person who tank has ich. But if it's not in your tank the fish aren't going to get ich, regardless of how stressed out they are.

Whether a fish is stressed out or not has nothing to do with a fish getting ich, as healthly fish can and do get it. What stress does is usually make it so that a fish can't fight the ich off, and usually they will die from it unless treated. Also ammonia and ich have nothing to do with each other, if anything the high ammonia will usually kill the fish outright or the fish will get an infection from scratching against rocks, which is something that happens when you have high ammonia levels.

As for adding dead food, shrimp ex., you're adding additional sources of wastes, which will build up the bacteria in the tank. Once the tank is done cycling the bacteria will be very strong and can handle a big load. This way once you start to add things to the tank the bacteria can handle it and you wouldn't go through another cycle or have ammonia in the tank, as the bacteria tries to catch up. This is the case in a lot of tanks just starting out. If you're bacteria isn't strong enough, to handle what you put in the tank, things are going to die and you're going to end up looking at an empty tank.

In the mid 80's people used to use productst to boost the bacteria levels during cycling, I forget exactly what it was but I think it was called Ammonia Cloride, which you could get at a chemical ware house. Spykes(Dave) actually has a thread on it, as he was using it to help with the cycling of his tank.
 
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