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Ender

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Anyone want to help me. I have all the signs... fish are rubbing on live rock, and they have white spots on fins...My niger trigger seems to be most annoyed by it. I have a 210 gallon tank, fish only. Any advice ?
 

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Do you have Live rock in the tank? If not, and you never want to make the tank a reef tank, get some copper, and a good test kit, and start to treat with copper. Bring the level up to .25 and treat for about 4 weeks. If you're sure it's ich you can also try hyposalinity.
 
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Do you have Live rock in the tank? If not, and you NEVER want to make the tank a reef tank, get some copper, and a good test kit, and start to treat with copper. Bring the level up to .25 and treat for about 4 weeks. If you're sure it's ich you can also try hyposaltiy.

Worth repeating with "never" in bold and caps with a larger font.
 

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UV light, Garlic extreme in food, i put 7x the regular dosage, also theres a tetra food that contain a small amount of copper in it but it's fully reef safe, i have it but can't get to it right now.
 

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Do you have Live rock in the tank? If not, and you never want to make the tank a reef tank, get some copper, and a good test kit, and start to treat with copper. Bring the level up to .25 and treat for about 4 weeks. If you're sure it's ich you can also try hyposalinity.

..this also holds true if you have sand in the tank. If ever considering turning it into a reef you'd have to dispose of the sand as that would also absorb the copper.


Just to clarify something..you cannot do both copper treatment and hyposalinity at the same time.
For an advanced case like yours sounds..I would suggest the copper treatment as it is more aggressive than the hyposalinity.
 
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Ender

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ok I have done some homework... I read up on your suggestions (thanks to cheifmcfuz post by steven pro on ich) I have learned a bit. hyposalinity is not a good option ( i would kill live rock and sand ), copper is out cause I do want to make this a reef. I'm left with a bunch of other options but I'm leaning towards diet, garlic, and I was thinking some aggressive water changes.

Another thing I saw was fresh water dips has anyone done this?
 

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Fresh water dips don't work. If your fish are heavily infected feeding them garlic isn't going to cure them.

If all your fish are infected what you should do is remove all the fish and setup a hospital tank. There you can treat your fish with copper. Leave your main tank empty, of fish, for about 6 weeks, this will kill the ich off in the tank.

Going forward you should quarantine all your fish for at least 2 weeks before you place them into your tank.
 

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ok I have done some homework... I read up on your suggestions (thanks to cheifmcfuz post by steven pro on ich) I have learned a bit. hyposalinity is not a good option ( i would kill live rock and sand ), copper is out cause I do want to make this a reef. I'm left with a bunch of other options but I'm leaning towards diet, garlic, and I was thinking some aggressive water changes.

Another thing I saw was fresh water dips has anyone done this?

fresh water dips don't work. Diet and garlic will help strengthen the immune system but won't necessarily cure ick.

The best treatment would be to set up a hospital tank and treat with copper. You can use a rubbermaid bin to save some $

EDIT: Marrone beat me to it.
 

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ok I have done some homework... I read up on your suggestions (thanks to cheifmcfuz post by steven pro on ich) I have learned a bit. hyposalinity is not a good option ( i would kill live rock and sand ), copper is out cause I do want to make this a reef. I'm left with a bunch of other options but I'm leaning towards diet, garlic, and I was thinking some aggressive water changes.

Another thing I saw was fresh water dips has anyone done this?

If it is really ick your choice will not work!! Review what you have been told and read.
 

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Ok..I'm a little late too..that's what I get for typing answers here and working at the same time..


Diet and garlic does NOT cure ich.
All it does is boost the immunity of the fish.

Aggressive water changes will not get rid of ich either. Additional ich parasites are released each time one of the cysts break open. They settle into the substrate before finding a new host fish, so you won't have much success removing them during a water change.

Your best option is to remove the fish from the tank, while leaving the tank fallow of ALL fish for 6-8 weeks so that the remaining ich parasites will die off and treating the fish in the QT aggressively with copper.

IMO your fish have too advanced a case if ich to treat less aggressively than this.
 
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Ender?
How many fish and how large are they?
When was the last time you added fish and how many was added?
Did anything dramatic happen in your tank like a large water change, change in temperature or salinity?
Does your AC blow onto your fish tank at night causing it to cool down at night then warm up in the morning?
Have the fish been eating a varied diet?
Do they still have an appetite?
Do you test and if so how are your parameters?

It's good to know the cause of the problem so it can be avoided in the future.
 

Ender

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Ok So I will set up a hospital tank. Adjust diet for future, get the uv light going.
wish me luck keep the advice flowing. Thanks for being responsive.

to answer seans questions
How many fish and how large are they?
14, range from 2 inch blenny to 5 inch trigger

When was the last time you added fish and how many was added?
2, Clown trigger, and A Fiji Puffer

Did anything dramatic happen in your tank like a large water change, change in temperature or salinity?
I did a 25 % change and temp and salinity matched exact.

Does your AC blow onto your fish tank at night causing it to cool down at night then warm up in the morning?
I have been monitoring tank temp i even get up at night around 3 am to make sure its steady.

Have the fish been eating a varied diet?
yes, pellets, misis, and flake

Do they still have an appetite? HUGE

Do you test and if so how are your parameters?
Everything is good no ammonia, salinity stable, nitrite is almost nothing, nitrate is at 0.

It's good to know the cause of the problem so it can be avoided in the future.
I think it was either water change ( i also moved around my rock), or the adding of the fish.
 

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