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I was looking at my tank a few weeks ago and noticed a colony had some red bugs on it. I took the SPS out and gave it a few dips in a potent Lugol's/tankwater solution. There were a bunch of dead bugs at the bottom of the container when I was done and the coral was showing signs of stress so I stopped and repeated the next night. For several weeks there were no bugs in sight, I figured I had averted a potential disaster. I know this has been touched on several times on this sight but I am hoping there may be some new experiences or maybe remedies since then that may help me to get rid of them. They are now on a few colonies and seem to be avoiding others. I know people use Interceptor pills for these guys but is it only used as a dip or can the tank itself be dosed? Also, how much does a pack of Interceptor go for usually (I know a bunch of vets and am planning on just buying a supply of them). If anyone knows of anything else that works or of a way to halt their spread or even slow them down, any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Interceptor can be used to dose the whole tank... i think its the better way of destroying that pest... a couple of reasons to dose the tank is that red bugs could be anywhere such as near you skimmer within the rocks, not just your sps... so might as well treat the whole tank to rid yourself of that pest...

1 large pill will treat a 300 gallon tank.. as per josh's idea use a whole pill crush it and dissolve it in rodi water then dose accordingly... after the treatment run carbon and do a big water change... to completely rid your tank of red bugs, you need to do 3 treatments... once a week for 3 weeks.. just my .02c on the pest... ;)
 

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well, im red bug free!! (i hope..lol) i just finished my 3rd treatment and redid by sump and skimmer...now ur ques..lol...

just the shrimp...in fact i have an anenomie crab that wasent effected at all, the hermits were a bit stunned but went back to work after the w/c and carbon
 

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This worked very well for me, and did not harm anything except the hermits.

I 'm sure someone closer than me has a scale, but if not your welcome to use mine, it goes down to 0.001 grams.
Hope this helps.

This is by Dustin Dorton

The Red Bug Treatment


*******Disclaimer*******
If you use this medication it is at your own risk. No one but yourself is responsible
for your actions with this medication. Please read carefully and follow the directions.
This medication will most likely kill off all crustaceans in your aquarium.


This medication was first tested in multiple sterile hospital tanks. The dosage and its
effect on corals and other typical aquarium animals was determined at this stage.
The second stage took place in 7 reef aquariums owned and/or operated by 7
different people. It took 2 –3 months to get to this point.
The third stage is taking place right now. The medication name has been released
and the treatment protocol posted. I would assume people will be treating their
tanks on their own before the end of February.


As you can see this medication has gone through a rather small amount of testing
and not much time has gone by. All of the results have been positive so far.


However, only time will tell if the red bugs will return to treated systems. Time will also tell if there is some sort of sort of side effect that will pop up a year or more from now. I need to make this point clear.

If you use this medication it is at your own risk. No one but yourself is responsible for your actions with this medication.

Ok, here is the moment many of you have been waiting for. We (myself and the volunteers) feel this medication is effective against red bugs, and probably safe enough to use in a home aquarium.

The medication is a DOG heartworm medication called Interceptor, it is only available from a veterinarian with a prescription. The tablets used in the initial treatments were for large dogs, 51-100lbs. These tablets are just under 1 gram each and contain 23mg of Milbemycin Oxime, the rest of it is a lovely smelling beef flavor. This chemical is active against Nematodes (Heartworms in dogs) and select arthropods (some types of Mange in dogs). Luckily, our red bugs are one of those select arthropods. The tablets come 6 to a box.

Here is the official information from Novartis on the medication.

http://www.ah.novartis.com/products...terceptor.shtml

Refer to this thread and read the whole thing before you begin the treatment.

http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=43945

The dosage used in an aquarium to kill redbugs is 25mg (0.025 grams) per 10 gallons of actual tank water . That is 25mg of the entire tablet. Each tablet in the pack of 6 will treat about 380 gallons. The tablets are ground with a mortar and pestle into a fine powder.

Do your very best to calculate your actual water volume. Take into consideration your sump, oversized plumbing and things like that. All of the initial tests were done with the estimated volume of live rock and live sand subtracted from the total gallons. You need to make sure that every part of the system that’s capable of holding water is treated. This means your refugium, the water inside your calcium reactor, the water inside your skimmer while it is not foaming.

Measure out the Interceptor on a very accurate scale that is capable of reading down to 0.001 grams. Remember, the dosage is 0.025grams per 10 gallons. For safety’s sake get as close as you possibly can. It has been pointed out that it may not be necessary to get down to the 1/1000th of a gram point when we are

guessing on the actual water volume. This is an excellent point, however, since we
are pretty much guessing our water volume, we should do our very best to make
sure that we treat that guess accurately. We don’t want to over treat an over
estimate.


Before adding the medication to your tank, turn off your skimmer (water needs to
run through it, but you do not want it producing any bubbles. Remove any
mechanical filtration if present. Remove any carbon if present. Turn off UV sterilizers
and ozone generators.


Remove any shrimp or crabs that you want to save. They will have to stay out of
the system for the duration of the treatment. Remember, that when you add them
back to your tank, there is a slight chance that you will re-introduce the red bugs to
your tank.


The medication is dissolved into some aquarium water (it is not easily soluble, you
will have to stir for a while) and spread evenly across the surface of the water. Your
tank should remain perfectly clear and look very normal the entire time. The bugs
hang on well into the 4th and 5th hour of the treatment, dont be alarmed. Many of
the bugs will hang on for days even after they are dead.


If anything goes wrong during treatment perform a water change ASAP and add a
large amount of carbon to your system.


After 6 hours, a 25% MINIMUM water change is performed and as much activated
carbon as you can fit should be added to the tank. In the initial tests, crustaceans
that were reintroduced to a tank after a 25% water change and carbon were
unaffected by the medication.
24 hours later the water should be changed again and the carbon replaced.
There is no maximum for the water changes or carbon, the more you do the better.


The treatment needs to be peformed a MINIMUM of 3 times. We know it kills the
bugs, but we don’t know enough about their lifecycle to determine if it kills them at
every stage of their life. We have to assume that all of the most of the adults are
killed in the first treatment. The goal of the second treatment is to clean up any left
over adults, and any juveniles that have hatched out of eggs that might have been
unaffected. The third treatment is a “just in case” treatment, its goal is to get any
bugs that could have possibly survived the first two. I know that three treatments
sounds scary, after the first one you will feel much more comfortable with it though.


The frequency of the treatments has yet to be fully determined. Some of the
volunteers in the testing did the first two treatments 7 days apart with the 3rd
treatment 14 days after the second. Some did 3 treatments 7 days apart.
Personally, I have been doing 2 treatments 24 hours apart every 7 days. I will
repeat this 4 times for a total of 8 treatments.


The medication seems to be fairly safe, since we dont know the life cycle of the bug


its best to err on the side of caution and treat several times. Pretend its an antibiotic, if your going to use it once, make sure you do the whole treatment process at least 3 times!!!

Refer to this thread and read the whole thing before you begin the treatment.

http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=43945

Some things to remember.

The ENTIRE system has to be treated. There could be bugs or bug larvae anywhere in your system. Do not take your refugium offline. Do not turn any part of your filtration off that will trap water. For example, if your skimmer is shut off, but has 1/2 gallon of water in it, that water needs to be treated!

You will probably kill off a lot of your pods, shrimps and crabs.

This medication has not been tested for very long. The bugs might come back. Like anything you put in your tank it could be toxic a year down the road.

The pills are for Large dogs, 50-100lbs. The dose is 25mg/10gal/6hrs.

If the treatment is not successful and you still have bugs visible after the 1st treatment, make a slight adjustment to your dose and start over again. This was only necessary in 1 out of 7 systems tested. It was a very old, large and intricate system.

I am sure, someone, somewhere will overdose or do something wrong. I am sure that someone will blame a tank crash 6 months down the road on this medication. Remember, no one but yourself is responsible for that!!!!!

Quarantine

I have not been able to come up with an effective, quick kill dipping strength. Even at 100x strength, the bugs lasted over 30 minutes. The best way to keep them from getting back in your tank is to treat the coral for the full 6 hours, an increased dose seems to be safe for corals. You are only going to be treating your new coral once. If the bug lays its eggs on the corals (no one knows) they could hatch off a week later in your aquarium.

Some questions that people have posed online already:

Where do I get the medication?

I was able to get Interceptor by being honest with my local Vet and telling them what I was going to use it for. I would suggest trying this route first, several people have already been successful with this approach. If you can’t get from your local vet, there are Canadian mail order companies that will ship the medication without a prescription.

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Kedd

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How important is it to use a scale that?s accurate down to .001 grams. Where do I find a scale like that.

In my opinion, its pretty important to measure out the medication accurately. I
have tested corals at doses 10x and 100x higher, but I do not know what it would
do in an aquarium.
I am sure if your patient and try hard enough you will find a scale you can use.
Everyone knows someone who knows someone else that has access to a scale like
this. Perhaps at a local school or university.
You can prepare all of your treatment when you go. Store the medication at room
temperature, in the dark in an air tight container. Do not let it get cold.


So you are saying to use 25mg of Interceptor per 10 gallons. Not 25mg of Milbemycin Oxime. Is that correct?

That is correct, each large dog tablet contains 23mg of Milbemycin Oxime. The tablet weighs just under 1 gram. You will be using 25mg (0.025grams) per 10 gallons.

How did you come up with this ?

I was looking into medications used to kill crustaceans. I was thinking of using several medications used to treat parasite problems in saltwater and freshwater fish. I was ready to order Dylox (a crustacide). That night I spoke to Jeremy from Coral Reef Aquarium online. When I told him what Dylox did, he told me that he knew someone who treated their pond (Koi) with the dog medication Program. Program?s active ingredient is Lufenuron. It?s a chitin synthesis inhibitor. I was very excited and tried to get this medication the next morning. I was unable to get Program so I decided to try Sentinel instead. Sentinel has the same amount of Lufenuron as Program, but it has the added ingredient Milbemycin Oxime. The initial test worked to kill the bugs. I was very excited. I stored the medication in the freezer that day. The following day I was able to get a pill of Program. I setup another test, one with the Sentinel again and one with the program. Both of those tests failed, the bugs were unaffected. The freezer was the only explanation for the Sentinel not to work. It was odd that the Program didn?t work, but this meant that the ingredient that killed the bugs the first time must have been the second ingredient in Sentinel, Milbemycin Oxime. Milbemycin oxime is the active ingredient in Interceptor. The next day I picked up a pack of Interceptor and proceeded to fine tune the dose and perform rudimentary sensitivity testing on as many random aquarium animals as I could. Jeremy was the first person to use it in an aquarium a few weeks later. It was decided that the medication and its treatment would be public knowledge. My employer was not interested in even attempting to commercialize it.

I wanted to thank Jeremy at Coral Reef Aquarium for his help with this project! I couldnt have done this without him. I want to thank the other volunteers as well, Janine, Paul, Andre, Chris and Joe!!!

Please read the original thread in its entirety before proceeding with the medication. It is located here:

http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=43945

This thread will be locked, please discuss it on this message thread. Please ask any questions you have before you move forward.

http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? t=45787&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Lastly. I did all of this work for you guys. The medication seems to be safe in aquariums, however your results may vary. Please be careful, think about what your doing. You are adding a poison to your tank. Please do not attempt to hold me responsible for anything.

Dustin Dorton
 

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i am sure the three dose treatment works well but i modified the treatment a bit.

i used twice the suggested dosage and left it in tank for a week before water change or carbon. I think it was Borneman who found that it takes at least 12 hours to effectively kill the bugs. Which may be the reason using the 3 treatment may not kill everything during the first treatment.

1 dose for a week worked great for me w/ no ill effects. No more bugs and i saved on money and labor it would have taken do treat 3 times. I did it based on suggestion from a few people on RC and it worked great.
 
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ok well I found a vet through a mutual friend who was very opposed to giving me the pills since they come with a warning about aquariums in the packaging. I insisted I needed them and he gave me 3 of the 6mg pills for the afflicted tank (50g). He was nice enough to sit down and try to figure out the proper dosage with me and ended up giving me the pills on the house. I plan on dosing 1mg and doing it by the week since I have seen a few posts about it and I want to make sure they are dead beyond any doubt. The funny part was I called up the vet and asked about the pills before hand and the girl at the desk asked me how big the dog was. So I told her it's not for my dog, it's for my reef tank....to which she replied "Well how many lbs is it?" I said "If I had to ballpark it I would have to say about 500lbs...give or take." She said "Are you sure? that doesn't sound right." So I went through the math with her on the phone and she had to go get the Vet lol. I wish I had recorded it on my phone it was much funnier in person.
 

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great thread guys. i also found red bugs in my tank and had tons of questions. this thread answered pretty much everything.

i guess i have to take out the shrimps and hermits.:rolleyes:
 
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Just took out all filtration and turned off skimmer/UV. I have to get a small pump to put water through my skimmer tomorrow but I just put in the first dose. I eyeballed it with the small pills figuring I'd grind it up and divide into 1/6ths little piles. It's so quiet in here without the skimmer sucking air. Hope this works my acros looked miserable.
 

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Hey kedd its brett.I gotta tell you that I have red bugs for as long as we have been talking about it.I still have the interceptor that you gave me and really am just to lazy to go thru the 3 week process but I have to tell you that I see no ill signs in my tank.My corals are growing out of the tank and the colors are awesome so now I just don't know if its necessary.Also whats up with your tank do you have a flatworm prob?Let me know what you think call me.
 
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I ended up doing a double dose last night as the first of the three doses for the tank. The first four hours (as stated in the research above) showed almost no signs of any change. In the next 2 hours (hours 4-6) I noticed the corals producing mucus and actually shedding what I imagine was dead/dieing red bugs into the water column. This morning I see no signs of the bugs in the tank, all fish remained uneffected by the treatment as far as I can see and my corals all look happy again with polyp extension as normal. I turned the skimmer back on this afternoon to let the interceptor circulate through the chamber and to maybe pull out some of the corpses of my little red foes. I am debating whether or not to wait the week for the second dose or dose 2 days after the first. I was very nervous about dosing in the first place but having done it and at double the recommended dose with no visible adverse effects I don't see red bugs as a worry in the future. I was also thinking of using a phosphate type reactor as a means of time releasing the interceptor using a timer on a pump or wavemaker.
 

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