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  1. Cyanide

    Steve, I wasn't pointing fingers at the trade as the topic of my post wasn't who's to blame. If I were, it would be a long list. I was simply expressing my belief that the aquarium trade has the potential to generate strong conservation benefits if both issues were addressed. I am less...
  2. Cyanide

    I offer the following as a major problem with a one-eyed focus on cyanide. Slight of hand PR suggests that where fish are not caught with cyanide ... they can be certified as sustainably caught. This allows the certification of collection areas that are already depleted on the sole ground...
  3. Peter Rubic and the study?

    Congratulations Kalk, You have discovered fish that belong to multiple genera! If you look at Table 1 on the IMA website, you'll see that 1807 damsels were tested over a 4 year period (that is approximately 450 individual fish per year). I was puzzled where you got 5 damsels per year from...
  4. Peter Rubic and the study?

    Hy, That's twice you've suggested that perhaps you have trouble understanding Kalk's posts because you are a non native English speaker. Please let me assure you that it isn't you. Kalk's posts are convoluted and difficult to follow at the best of times and I've given up. I'm guessing you've...
  5. Peter Rubic and the study?

    Kalk, I can think of two reasons people are not answering: 1 - they are fed up with you twisting information and persevering in quoting stuff that frankly has been dispelled 2 - they are sensible and realise that you actually need some technical background to comment fairly on Peter's work...
  6. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Nicely stated. Blue hula
  7. Should non-native corals be farmed in open sys? Why or not?

    oops ... and I forgot the winky thing
  8. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Horge, I sat down to reply and realised that our combined posts (your response + quotes from mine) is 5 pages long in Word and thus I've decided to simply admit defeat with a few short comments. First, I don't feel particularly strongly about the CBD per se. Indeed the original comment was a...
  9. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Welcome to the board Suriden, First I should say that the comment about technology wasn't meant to sound as patronising at it will have come across ... I specifically indicated technology / infrastructure for COMMERCIAL production as I was aware of the work at SEAFDEC and Gondol. Nevertheless...
  10. Should non-native corals be farmed in open sys? Why or not?

    You obviously watched Nemo All drains in houses flush masses of freshwater (sinks, showers, toilets) that eventually go to the sea. If your saltwater coral can handle the osmotic shock, it deserves to take over the world. Blue hula
  11. Should non-native corals be farmed in open sys? Why or not?

    Hobbyists don't generally have open systems. An educational program highlighting the problem of RELEASING your cherished babes would probably accomplish heaps Blue hula
  12. Role of the Internet in the Marine Ornamentals trade.

    ZBT, The frustration that spills over is not the sole domain of the conservation minded importer. As an ecologist who worked in the region for years, I get really tired of hearing: LFS owners saying "what can I do ... I need to make a living and hobbyists don't care" Importers saying "what...
  13. Role of the Internet in the Marine Ornamentals trade.

    Kalk ... I have yet to see a fisherman chasing corals with a squirt bottle. Gosh those acropora move fast ... jam themselves right up amongst the damsels. Culturing corals would only take SOME of the pressure off reefs if it replaced wild collection of coral. That collectors targeting FISH...
  14. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    dble post ... sorry
  15. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Dizzy, I honestly have no idea why MAC would certify cultured fish or what the surtax is meant for. Whilst the compensation for biodiversity has been greatly discussed for pharmaceuticals and agriculture, there has been almost no discussion of it for aquaculture that I'm aware of. So on some...
  16. Not sure if this was noticed...

    I thought the point of newsletters was to inform ? They are vague on Jolo as well but maybe that's because they don't want to highlight opening new areas not previously subject to MO trade to fomer militia turned fishers ???????????????? Blue hula
  17. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    It's an interesting idea and as far as I know, not covered. I imagine that if you are dumb enough to deliberately introduce something (like the cane toad, foxes etc.) ... you'd have lost your rights to complain ... But perhaps if a country could be held responsible for the damage ensuring from...
  18. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Horge, I appreciate the analogy with respect to tomatoes, potatoes, cocoa and mangoes but would like to suggest there are a few key differences: First, the analogy doesn’t apply to MO aquaculture (and please note, this isn’t about trade in wild caught marine aquarium fish / corals – the...
  19. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    The Convention applies to activities such as pharmaceutical production / agriculture and aquaculture where the host country gets cut out of the loop rather than an ongoing trade. When salmon are caught in Canada or the US and exported to Australia (smoked no less for a bit of value added)...
  20. Should species be propagated in different oceans?

    Peter, I agree it is a serious problem which is why there is so much attention on the issue of ballast water. My point was only that the probability of a species establishing itself appears to be low from a one-off transfer (hence my reference to the work of van der Zanden and company) ... given...

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