is the pay off now more than the kbb ? not trade in value but value of if you sell it independently ? dealer's have a padded price they buy car's for to cover if the cr need's anything, brake's, tire's ect, they can't or atleast our dealership won't sell a car that need's stuff, they also have the pad price for it they have to sit on the car for a period of time, them paying the car off is a loan to a degree for them, they are putting money out that has no guarentee of return, and look to maybe take a loss if it goes to a whole sell auction. only way you might get what the car is worth is to sell it yourself, most people buying a car that the amount is more than they have cash, dont buy it from a private seller. they buy from a used car lot or dealer so they can get help in financing, hope this help's. if you would lke i can give you a number to our dealership and let you speak to our sales manager and see if the price is really in realm of what they are offering