Getting MAC Certified?dumb question?
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coralfarmin":1de7u79l said:
There are no dumb questions for the most part, only the ones JT asks.
ZING! Hee hee, just kiddin' bud...
coralfarmin":1de7u79l said:
All kidding aside, I would PM John Brandt. He has all the information you'll need to get your MAC certification process rolling...
Peace,
Chip
Chip has done zero research on MAC Certification, unless he considers reading the threads in this forum to be just that :wink:
All kidding aside...
How to Get Certified: A Stage-by-Stage Explanation
http://www.aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=14§ion=3
All kidding aside...
How to Get Certified: A Stage-by-Stage Explanation
http://www.aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=14§ion=3
mabey I am dumb..
I still dont understand what it will cost me?now.
Say I have a small greenhouse 20x30 with a attached 30x30 prop shop,with average sales same as most retail sponsors who sell only marine and do small time aquaculter in a similar manner.
What will it cost me?This is the first question I've been repeatedly asking myself while making business type decisions.
It is still unclear to me after reading the MAC site breifly under costs and the stage by stage page.
What do I have to do ?Hire the only american ceritifier listed in CA to fly out to NC to asses my facility before certification?Who pays for that?
Then pay what per year?
Someone please explain this to me in laymens terms.
I just want to know what it costs initaly and yearly,if it will benifit my potential Co. and the hobby as well.
I still dont understand what it will cost me?now.
Say I have a small greenhouse 20x30 with a attached 30x30 prop shop,with average sales same as most retail sponsors who sell only marine and do small time aquaculter in a similar manner.
What will it cost me?This is the first question I've been repeatedly asking myself while making business type decisions.
It is still unclear to me after reading the MAC site breifly under costs and the stage by stage page.
What do I have to do ?Hire the only american ceritifier listed in CA to fly out to NC to asses my facility before certification?Who pays for that?
Then pay what per year?
Someone please explain this to me in laymens terms.
I just want to know what it costs initaly and yearly,if it will benifit my potential Co. and the hobby as well.
Retailers
With respect to the retail market in the United States and Europe, we have made the following assumptions:
· Approximately 4,500 retailers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, approximately 30% of retailers will make investments related to MAC
certification; and
· Average investment of $4,000.
Retailer Fees. MAC anticipates charging retailers who carry MAC-certified products a support
fee of $100/yr. per store (which will gradually increase to $200/yr.) This charge will be in
addition to third party certification expenses as well as any infrastructural upgrades that might be
required. The fees will be collected by certifiers at the time of the annual store
inspection/monitoring, in conjunction with their collection of certification costs, and remitted to
MAC.
The above quotes are from the document Sally linked too. Read pages 124-146 to find much of the information you seek.
Mitch
With respect to the retail market in the United States and Europe, we have made the following assumptions:
· Approximately 4,500 retailers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, approximately 30% of retailers will make investments related to MAC
certification; and
· Average investment of $4,000.
Retailer Fees. MAC anticipates charging retailers who carry MAC-certified products a support
fee of $100/yr. per store (which will gradually increase to $200/yr.) This charge will be in
addition to third party certification expenses as well as any infrastructural upgrades that might be
required. The fees will be collected by certifiers at the time of the annual store
inspection/monitoring, in conjunction with their collection of certification costs, and remitted to
MAC.
The above quotes are from the document Sally linked too. Read pages 124-146 to find much of the information you seek.
Mitch
clkohly":17u7a7jk said:coralfarmin":17u7a7jk said:thanxs agin
I'll just asume the certifier fee would be in the few thousand range??
since the only one I saw listed in the us was in CA
It was 1250 to 1500 for them to visit californian facilities a few years back.
Plus airfare, right? I seem to remember people from MAC saying that stores should get together and split the cost of flying out the certifier. Call all your local compititors, and see if they're willing to split the cost
When I started this post I was serious but, there is no way in heck I'm paying that much money to get certified by someone who might have less knowledge than I.
Lets be real and stress the fact that $3000 to $4000 would help and improve any persons personal facility more than any piece of paper stating they have been certified by MAC.IMO.
If money were not a issue I would do what ever else they expect me to do to meet their guide lines with regard to animal health, & be inspected so it is fact that we are up to par to end users.
But give them that much money when I dont have to..its a No Brianer.
Mabey later
Lets be real and stress the fact that $3000 to $4000 would help and improve any persons personal facility more than any piece of paper stating they have been certified by MAC.IMO.
If money were not a issue I would do what ever else they expect me to do to meet their guide lines with regard to animal health, & be inspected so it is fact that we are up to par to end users.
But give them that much money when I dont have to..its a No Brianer.
Mabey later
The thing is, there are no set guidelines for certification. A couple of years ago, David Vosseller called me at the shop to try to "win me over" (when MAC still gave a flying fig about me ) and I must say he was very patient and pleasant to speak with and we talked for probably close to 2 hours ...
But the way he explained it to me, you simply record your facility's "best practices"... write down what you are already doing, and you'll be expected to be consistent. It's not so much about what you do or how you do it, but that you're conisistent in both.
So if you consistently keep your nitrates at 250 ppm and your calcium at 150, and that's what you have written down, you're good to go. There is no set of criteria that you must keep, just that whatever you said you do, you actually do.
I totally agree... $3-4K would sure help me out with other, more important things...
Besides, after you jump through the hoops and pay the man, there's still no significant supply of organisms to sell anyway.
Jenn
) and I must say he was very patient and pleasant to speak with and we talked for probably close to 2 hours ...But the way he explained it to me, you simply record your facility's "best practices"... write down what you are already doing, and you'll be expected to be consistent. It's not so much about what you do or how you do it, but that you're conisistent in both.
So if you consistently keep your nitrates at 250 ppm and your calcium at 150, and that's what you have written down, you're good to go. There is no set of criteria that you must keep, just that whatever you said you do, you actually do.
I totally agree... $3-4K would sure help me out with other, more important things...
Besides, after you jump through the hoops and pay the man, there's still no significant supply of organisms to sell anyway.
Jenn
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