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SevTT

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*sigh* I got taught another lesson in "Ways your tank can crash that you'd never thought of."

I already watched nearly all my montiporas kick off due to previously-mentioned problems, and then my acro frags started looking bad; one even RTN'd. To cut a long story of going-nuts-and-finding nothing-wrong short, I figured out -- by observing my weekly temp graphs through my Apex controller -- that my newly installed fuge light was electromagnetically noisy and was inducing a spurious current in my temperature probe. Every night when the light would come on, the temperature that my controller read would spike up or down four or more degrees, which of course messed with my heating regime, so my tank was experiencing temperature swings every 12 hours, and was getting down as low, at points, as 74*F, and going up to about 82. (Normally, I keep my tank at 80.)

Fortunately, once I figured out what the hell was going on, the fix was easy: wrapping a thin strip of tinfoil around the foot or so of probe cable that was inside of my stand, and which ran near the various cables running from my sump light's ballast to the bulbs.

So, a word to the wise: be aware that your probe wires can pick up interference from things like lights, even if there's no actual current leak in the tank water. This is relatively easily diagnosed when you're looking for it: when the appliance causing interference turns on, the probe readings will rapidly change, and return to normal when the appliance is turned off.
 

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Wow. I would not have thought of that until all my livestock was dead! Do you think one of those ferric magnet things would work? you know those heavy cylinders on some cords?

I don't think that a ferrite bead would work. Such things smooth out noise, but won't eliminate the induced current. In this case, because of the way that I think that the Apex temp sensor works, I'm fairly certain it's a thermistor, and the voltage difference is measured by the Apex unit itself, as opposed to having a 2iC temp sensor in the probe itself that's communicating digitally with the Apex. With this setup, I'm <i>fairly</i> certain you'd still have the same problem. (I'm not 100% sure, since I'm not formally educated in electronics/electrical theory, but I've picked up a lot as a hobbyist.)

If you experience this problem, you can usually solve it just by moving the probe wires away from the device that's causing interference. Since that wasn't an option due to the layout of my stand and sump, I shielded them with aluminum foil instead. If you create an electrically conductive shield around something, it'll ward against any EMF you're likely to encounter, and aluminum's both readily available and unlikely to cause problems if it gets in the tank.

I'm probably going to rework my probe placement and tame my lights' wiring situation, but this is an easy fix in the meanwhile.
 

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WOW...sorry to hear but glad you figured it out.

What light are/were you using and how close was the probe to the lamp or ballast?


One of those cheap-assed two-bulb Hagen Glo retros. I get noticeable interference (A deflection of more than a couple tenths of a degree) if the probe wire's anywhere within about a foot of the wires running from the ballast to the bulbs.
 

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Funny that you state this because Dr Harry Lopez and I actually experienced this also in the last 2 - 3 weeks with our pinpoint ph probes.. My remedy was to just plug the probe into its own outlet and problem solved. Sticky perhaps.
 

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Funny that you state this because Dr Harry Lopez and I actually experienced this also in the last 2 - 3 weeks with our pinpoint ph probes.. My remedy was to just plug the probe into its own outlet and problem solved. Sticky perhaps.

Yeah, that's actually a different problem that has to do with interference with being on the same circuit affecting the way that the pH probe measures the pH. I don't quite understand it, other than ways to avoid it, but that wasn't it here.

Don't you love how every piece of equipment you add to your tank creates whole new ways to screw things up? ;)
 

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